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zacapr22
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| CWood21 wrote: | | zacapr22 wrote: | | I have a few prospects i'm interested in. Could you tell me anything you like or dislike about any of these guys? |
Just going to post a snippet about each since I could go on for a while. If you want me to expand more on one of them, let me know.
CB Justin Gilbert - Really like him, probably doesn't get the love he deserves.
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If you could, tell me more about Gilbert. Right now, I see him as a top 10 talent. My favorite corner in this draft.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| zacapr22 wrote: | | If you could, tell me more about Gilbert. Right now, I see him as a top 10 talent. My favorite corner in this draft. |
Good size/speed combination, good instincts, and even better ball skills. Seems like willing to come up in run support, not afraid to take on blockers to free his teammates up. Not sure any cornerback has separated himself from the rest of the pack. Looks more natural in zone coverage, but I think he could transition to man. Could always flip to safety though.
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CWood21
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I want to love this quarterback class, but I have trouble pointing to a guy and say he'll be a franchise quarterback. They've all got their issues and quite frankly I'm not sure there is an elite quarterback that comes out of this year's class. Looking at Barkley, he's your classic well developed USC quarterback which for as good as that stigma is, it also has some downful. Tyler Bray probably has the most tangible upside of the top prospects, but the production doesn't match the tools. A strong season could put him in the mix for the #1 prospect. Logan Thomas is this year's Cam Newton as big, strong, and athletic quarterback whose tools far surpass his production. Really needs to develop as a passer if he wants to come out this year. If it weren't for his height, Aaron Murray would be closer to one than he is now. I really like the kid, but I do think his height will give him some issues. Prior to the the Giants making a run to the Super Bowl, I compared Landry Jones to Eli Manning. And I stand by that as he's either going to give you glimpses of something great or he's going to make you shake your head in disbelief. I'm not a believer in Tyler Wilson partly because of the offensive system that Petrino ran that makes most quarterbacks look really good. Hell, he made Brian Brohm look like a first round pick. After that, you start to get into your toolsy quarterbacks where it becomes a matter of preference rather than getting down to facts.
1.) Matt Barkley [QB; USC]
2.) Tyler Bray [QB; Tennessee]
3.) Logan Thomas [QB; Virginia Tech]
4.) Aaron Murray [QB; Georgia]
5.) Landry Jones [QB; Oklahoma]
6.) Tyler Wilson [QB; Arkansas]
7.) Keith Price [QB; Washington]
8.) Geno Smith [QB; West Virginia]
9.) E.J. Manuel [QB; Florida State]
10.) Derek Carr [QB; Fresno State]
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khodder
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| CWood21 wrote: | | khodder wrote: | Hopefully not stepping on any toes here;
Tate is not good enough in coverage nor does he have the anticipation to play as a safety at the next level. However he also does not have the size, physicality or instincts to be a linebacker. He is stuck in a bad spot, his best position in the NFL would be on the weakside of a cover two, but with that position becoming less and less utilized in the NFL.
He is physically impressive and that could get him drafted in the third round, and some coaches might see him as the physical prototype to be the guy who can match up with the atheltic tight ends entering into the league, but he does not have that kind of a skillset.
Basically a Taylor Mays style player without the over the top athleticism. |
You're never stepping on toes here khodder. Love reading your posts, and you're always welcome to post your thoughts here.
And the Mays-Tate comparison is spot on. Exactly what I think everytime I see Tate play. As much as people would love for Tate to be the new defender for those hyrbrid TE, teams just won't invest high picks into players that they just don't have a position. |
Will be a good player to pick up on Madden as a user guy. Will have great stats across the board, but like a 36 awareness.
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| CWood21 wrote: | I want to love this quarterback class, but I have trouble pointing to a guy and say he'll be a franchise quarterback. They've all got their issues and quite frankly I'm not sure there is an elite quarterback that comes out of this year's class. Looking at Barkley, he's your classic well developed USC quarterback which for as good as that stigma is, it also has some downful. Tyler Bray probably has the most tangible upside of the top prospects, but the production doesn't match the tools. A strong season could put him in the mix for the #1 prospect. Logan Thomas is this year's Cam Newton as big, strong, and athletic quarterback whose tools far surpass his production. Really needs to develop as a passer if he wants to come out this year. If it weren't for his height, Aaron Murray would be closer to one than he is now. I really like the kid, but I do think his height will give him some issues. Prior to the the Giants making a run to the Super Bowl, I compared Landry Jones to Eli Manning. And I stand by that as he's either going to give you glimpses of something great or he's going to make you shake your head in disbelief. I'm not a believer in Tyler Wilson partly because of the offensive system that Petrino ran that makes most quarterbacks look really good. Hell, he made Brian Brohm look like a first round pick. After that, you start to get into your toolsy quarterbacks where it becomes a matter of preference rather than getting down to facts.
1.) Matt Barkley [QB; USC]
2.) Tyler Bray [QB; Tennessee]
3.) Logan Thomas [QB; Virginia Tech]
4.) Aaron Murray [QB; Georgia]
5.) Landry Jones [QB; Oklahoma]
6.) Tyler Wilson [QB; Arkansas]
7.) Keith Price [QB; Washington]
8.) Geno Smith [QB; West Virginia]
9.) E.J. Manuel [QB; Florida State]
10.) Derek Carr [QB; Fresno State] |
I hear talk about Petrino's system but, doesnt every coach run a "system"? It's not like he's mike leach and airing it out 50 times a game lol. The QB still has to read the defense and hit the receiver. There are some comparisons to the patriots offense but some people say thats a system too so not sure that helps me. Sure most of his other QBs failed in the NFL but the only one close to wilson's skill level was brohm against big east competition. Jury is still out on mallett. |
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jrry32
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| CWood21 wrote: | I want to love this quarterback class, but I have trouble pointing to a guy and say he'll be a franchise quarterback. They've all got their issues and quite frankly I'm not sure there is an elite quarterback that comes out of this year's class. Looking at Barkley, he's your classic well developed USC quarterback which for as good as that stigma is, it also has some downful. Tyler Bray probably has the most tangible upside of the top prospects, but the production doesn't match the tools. A strong season could put him in the mix for the #1 prospect. Logan Thomas is this year's Cam Newton as big, strong, and athletic quarterback whose tools far surpass his production. Really needs to develop as a passer if he wants to come out this year. If it weren't for his height, Aaron Murray would be closer to one than he is now. I really like the kid, but I do think his height will give him some issues. Prior to the the Giants making a run to the Super Bowl, I compared Landry Jones to Eli Manning. And I stand by that as he's either going to give you glimpses of something great or he's going to make you shake your head in disbelief. I'm not a believer in Tyler Wilson partly because of the offensive system that Petrino ran that makes most quarterbacks look really good. Hell, he made Brian Brohm look like a first round pick. After that, you start to get into your toolsy quarterbacks where it becomes a matter of preference rather than getting down to facts.
1.) Matt Barkley [QB; USC]
2.) Tyler Bray [QB; Tennessee]
3.) Logan Thomas [QB; Virginia Tech]
4.) Aaron Murray [QB; Georgia]
5.) Landry Jones [QB; Oklahoma]
6.) Tyler Wilson [QB; Arkansas]
7.) Keith Price [QB; Washington]
8.) Geno Smith [QB; West Virginia]
9.) E.J. Manuel [QB; Florida State]
10.) Derek Carr [QB; Fresno State] |
EJ Manuel over Derek Carr...c'mon CWood!
As for Murray, I like Murray but he's short and doesn't spin the ball well. Those two are not good things.
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CWood21
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| gohogs14 wrote: | | I hear talk about Petrino's system but, doesnt every coach run a "system"? It's not like he's mike leach and airing it out 50 times a game lol. The QB still has to read the defense and hit the receiver. There are some comparisons to the patriots offense but some people say thats a system too so not sure that helps me. Sure most of his other QBs failed in the NFL but the only one close to wilson's skill level was brohm against big east competition. Jury is still out on mallett. |
Technically in the way you're describing it, no. All coaches use a system in the sense of how they run things, but it isn't a system that inflates the product to be better than it actually has is what I'm referring to. Take Jeff Tedford, California's head coach, for example. Of the six quarterbacks he's taken in the first round, only one hasn't busted and that has a LOT more to do with the coaching he got in the NFL from McCarthy. The offensive system that Oklahoma State uses is another type of system where the reads are to predesigned spots.
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zacapr22
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| CWood21 wrote: |
1.) Matt Barkley [QB; USC]
2.) Tyler Bray [QB; Tennessee]
3.) Logan Thomas [QB; Virginia Tech] |
This QB group is kind of reminding me of the 2009 QB class.
Bray=Stafford
Barkley=Sanchez
Thomas=Freeman
Not perfect comparisons at all, they are all unique players but pretty close in terms of potential and similarity.
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| jrry32 wrote: | EJ Manuel over Derek Carr...c'mon CWood!
As for Murray, I like Murray but he's short and doesn't spin the ball well. Those two are not good things. |
Haven't seen enough of Derek Carr to really put a finger on him. I think it was the Ole Miss game where I got the most look at him, but he's still rough around the edges. And at this point in time, Manuel's tools are better than Carr's pedigree. But like I said, that list is extremely rough right now.
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CWood21
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| zacapr22 wrote: | This QB group is kind of reminding me of the 2009 QB class.
Bray=Stafford
Barkley=Sanchez
Thomas=Freeman
Not perfect comparisons at all, they are all unique players but pretty close in terms of potential and similarity. |
Not a terrible comparison to make. Mark Sanchez can't hold Matt Barkley's jockstrap and I'm not even a fan of Barkley either.
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| CWood21 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | EJ Manuel over Derek Carr...c'mon CWood!
As for Murray, I like Murray but he's short and doesn't spin the ball well. Those two are not good things. |
Haven't seen enough of Derek Carr to really put a finger on him. I think it was the Ole Miss game where I got the most look at him, but he's still rough around the edges. And at this point in time, Manuel's tools are better than Carr's pedigree. But like I said, that list is extremely rough right now. |
I'll take Carr's tools over Manuel's tools. Carr throws a gorgeous deep ball with great ball placement.
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| CWood21 wrote: | | zacapr22 wrote: | This QB group is kind of reminding me of the 2009 QB class.
Bray=Stafford
Barkley=Sanchez
Thomas=Freeman
Not perfect comparisons at all, they are all unique players but pretty close in terms of potential and similarity. |
Not a terrible comparison to make. Mark Sanchez can't hold Matt Barkley's jockstrap and I'm not even a fan of Barkley either. |
I'm not seeing "it" with Tyler Bray. Based on what he's shown so far, he reminds me more of Erik Ainge than Matt Stafford.
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Always a good thread to keep up with CWood.
What're your thoughts on Arthur Brown? He's my 2012 candidate for sleeper LB of the year.
Navorro Bowman was my pick for 2010 (though he was well known) and Mason Foster was my pick for 2011. My preseason pick for 2012 was Mychal Kendricks who rose up boards late in the draft process. I was praising him this time last year.
I think this year it's Arthur Brown. He sorta reminds me of Mason Foster and I can see him being a smaller LB with great instincts.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:18 am Post subject: |
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your top 7 quarterbacks should all end being draft in the first 2-3 rounds. A lot of talent there this year
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| imani wrote: | | your top 7 quarterbacks should all end being draft in the first 2-3 rounds. A lot of talent there this year |
Not from what you just said.
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