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 Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: Josh Gordon:Oakland Raider? |
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| A huge prospect that attended Baylor, wr Josh Gordon will be in the Suppl. Draft tomorrow and I see the Raiders going after him if he falls to the 4th-5th rd Nationers. Should be interesting tomorrow. What does the rest of the Nation think about the Raiders going after Josh Gordon with a suppl. selection? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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With young guys like Criner and Streater looking great in camp, I'd say we're set at WR.
Gordon's stock is going up and might be taken in the 2-3rd round. Can't see us giving up anymore draft picks.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Josh Gordon:Oakland Raider |
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| rodmoney wrote: | | A huge prospect that attended Baylor, wr Josh Gordon will be in the Suppl. Draft tomorrow and I see the Raiders going after him if he falls to the 4th-5th rd Nationers. Should be interesting tomorrow. What does the rest of the Nation think about the Raiders going after Josh Gordon with a suppl. selection? |
Josh Gordon was a favorite college prospect I used in many mock drafts for the Raiders. However, that was under the Davis regime as Gordon is a classic AD selection with a phenomenal size/speed ratio. That was then and this is now.
Gordon is not a WCO WR, imo. I don't think he has a full command of the entire route tree. Gordon is more a field stretcher (Randy Moss, D.Moore). In addition, Gordon has some serious character red flags. I have been following Gordon closely until AD passed. Gordon is a weed head who was busted multiple times and eventually led to his dismissal from Baylor. Transferred to Utah to sit out but basically left the team shortly thereafter. Personal judgements aside, McKenzie & Allen are both really big on character, hence I don't foresee Gordon happening.
Lastly, McKenzie has been very transparent and true to his word and he has stated that he is stingy when it comes to draft picks. There will be additional difficult/unpopular cuts next season so McKenzie will want a full compliment of draft picks next season so I highly doubt he will use one on a luxury pick. Despite how you may personally feel about DHB.
EDIT: Though I wouldn't be mad at all.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I tend to agree with others. I see no need to use a draft pick for yet another project WR, seeing as we already have so many "prospects with potential" at the position. The only thing our WR is lacking is a true #1. Gordon isn't that.
Besides, the logistics don't add up. Moore, Ford, DHB, Criner, Murphy, Streater, (also McGee and Thomas Mayo) and then Gordon? We'll only carry 5 WR's, maybe 6 on the roster. The few who are left and eligible will be put on the practice squad and other teams could snatch them away if they really wanted. I see no room here for Gordon.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Josh Gordon:Oakland Raider? |
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| rodmoney wrote: | | A huge prospect that attended Baylor, wr Josh Gordon will be in the Suppl. Draft tomorrow and I see the Raiders going after him if he falls to the 4th-5th rd Nationers. Should be interesting tomorrow. What does the rest of the Nation think about the Raiders going after Josh Gordon with a suppl. selection? |
Why on earth would this team do that??? We have enough young WR's. There is enough evaluating and coaching going on without adding another one to the mix. Explain to me how this would beneficial?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| no need at WR, indeed I imagine we'll have to cut some very good WR talent this offseason |
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rodmoney
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| NickButera wrote: | I tend to agree with others. I see no need to use a draft pick for yet another project WR, seeing as we already have so many "prospects with potential" at the position. The only thing our WR is lacking is a true #1. Gordon isn't that.
Besides, the logistics don't add up. Moore, Ford, DHB, Criner, Murphy, Streater, (also McGee and Thomas Mayo) and then Gordon? We'll only carry 5 WR's, maybe 6 on the roster. The few who are left and eligible will be put on the practice squad and other teams could snatch them away if they really wanted. I see no room here for Gordon. |
Einstein, apparently Reggie Mac believes there is room here since he had someone representing the Raiders at Gordon's Pro Day. Reggie is about making this team better and if he believes Gordon can be that guy he will bid on him. After all no one thought the Raiders would even take a wr in the NFL Draft back in April but you see Juron Criner on our roster.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| rodmoney wrote: | | NickButera wrote: | I tend to agree with others. I see no need to use a draft pick for yet another project WR, seeing as we already have so many "prospects with potential" at the position. The only thing our WR is lacking is a true #1. Gordon isn't that.
Besides, the logistics don't add up. Moore, Ford, DHB, Criner, Murphy, Streater, (also McGee and Thomas Mayo) and then Gordon? We'll only carry 5 WR's, maybe 6 on the roster. The few who are left and eligible will be put on the practice squad and other teams could snatch them away if they really wanted. I see no room here for Gordon. |
Einstein, apparently Reggie Mac believes there is room here since he had someone representing the Raiders at Gordon's Pro Day. Reggie is about making this team better and if he believes Gordon can be that guy he will bid on him. After all no one thought the Raiders would even take a wr in the NFL Draft back in April but you see Juron Criner on our roster.
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Raiders reps were at Andrew Luck and RGIIIs pro day too.
Does that mean we were thinking of trading for them ? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Keleth wrote: | | rodmoney wrote: | | NickButera wrote: | I tend to agree with others. I see no need to use a draft pick for yet another project WR, seeing as we already have so many "prospects with potential" at the position. The only thing our WR is lacking is a true #1. Gordon isn't that.
Besides, the logistics don't add up. Moore, Ford, DHB, Criner, Murphy, Streater, (also McGee and Thomas Mayo) and then Gordon? We'll only carry 5 WR's, maybe 6 on the roster. The few who are left and eligible will be put on the practice squad and other teams could snatch them away if they really wanted. I see no room here for Gordon. |
Einstein, apparently Reggie Mac believes there is room here since he had someone representing the Raiders at Gordon's Pro Day. Reggie is about making this team better and if he believes Gordon can be that guy he will bid on him. After all no one thought the Raiders would even take a wr in the NFL Draft back in April but you see Juron Criner on our roster.
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Raiders reps were at Andrew Luck and RGIIIs pro day too.
Does that mean we were thinking of trading for them ? |
no, good point |
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How I feel every time $$ uses the word "Nationers":
Nation is already plural!!
Regarding Gordon. He's a straight line speed guy. Poor route runner. Put up numbers against bad competition at Baylor.
The Raiders have been young WRs on the roster now. I wouldn't draft him in a normal draft.
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| suppose ? is, how much would he really have to fall before we'd think about moving - RM loves value |
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| Keleth wrote: | | rodmoney wrote: | | NickButera wrote: | I tend to agree with others. I see no need to use a draft pick for yet another project WR, seeing as we already have so many "prospects with potential" at the position. The only thing our WR is lacking is a true #1. Gordon isn't that.
Besides, the logistics don't add up. Moore, Ford, DHB, Criner, Murphy, Streater, (also McGee and Thomas Mayo) and then Gordon? We'll only carry 5 WR's, maybe 6 on the roster. The few who are left and eligible will be put on the practice squad and other teams could snatch them away if they really wanted. I see no room here for Gordon. |
Einstein, apparently Reggie Mac believes there is room here since he had someone representing the Raiders at Gordon's Pro Day. Reggie is about making this team better and if he believes Gordon can be that guy he will bid on him. After all no one thought the Raiders would even take a wr in the NFL Draft back in April but you see Juron Criner on our roster.
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Raiders reps were at Andrew Luck and RGIIIs pro day too.
Does that mean we were thinking of trading for them ? |
+1
Reggie scouted a lot of prospects just to cover all his bases. A smart GM would do so, just in case by some crazy chance a prospect slips, a trade is offered, or just because it is an opportunity to fine-tune your scouting ability. As for Juron Criner, Reggie said he would take the best player available at each pick, regardless of position. Had Gordon been in the actual draft, maybe he wouldve taken him if he was the BPA at any point, but I dont see him giving up a 2013 pick on a WR when its not a need and nodoby has seen any workouts/drills for a single '13 prospect yet, and we are already out a 2nd next year.
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rodmoney
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| Dreadymatt wrote: | | suppose ? is, how much would he really have to fall before we'd think about moving - RM loves value |
Dready, if he fell to the 4th rd Reggie should bid on him, don't think we have a 5th rdr (trade for Curry).
As for the other cat talking about the Raiders had reps at RG3 and Lucks Pro Day, the Raiders knew they had no chance to get those two and were they the only one's at their Pro Day? Find that out for me dude. Gordon was the only one there at his Pro Day playa.
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| rodmoney wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | suppose ? is, how much would he really have to fall before we'd think about moving - RM loves value |
Dready, if he fell to the 4th rd Reggie should bid on him, don't think we have a 5th rdr (trade for Curry).
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I don't think anyone is falling in the supplemental draft. Teams choose to bid one of their picks and whoever went with the highest pick is awarded the player.
As for the Raiders being at his pro day, that's what scouts are paid to do. Doesn't mean anything one way or the other. |
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We have absolutely no need what-so-ever.
No thank you.
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