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Reginaldm9
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I'd prefer the lesser league. Totally gonna work my way up Gladiator style and destroy everyone.
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Braylon4MVP
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I'm in. 
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hornbybrown
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:19 am Post subject: |
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I see one major problem with this. How will a keeper league work if we are going to be dropping people down and brining people up between the two leagues?
What if someone in lower league has Trent Richardson and they win and someone in the upper league allready has Trent?
If the person from the lower league has to drop all there players to move up that is a huge disadvantage.
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buno67
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| hornbybrown wrote: | I see one major problem with this. How will a keeper league work if we are going to be dropping people down and brining people up between the two leagues?
What if someone in lower league has Trent Richardson and they win and someone in the upper league allready has Trent?
If the person from the lower league has to drop all there players to move up that is a huge disadvantage. |
The upper league is the only league that is a keeper, lower league isn't. Top talent will be kept so the new guy will have the first 2-3picks to make up for the players who are kept and should get first pick to start the
Drafting but that isnt for another year so no need to work about it
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malibuspeedrace
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Buno nailed it.
at least that is how it should work.
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ReggieCamp
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| pmk wrote: | Updated the op and have pmed the guys who were in it last year who haven't signed up yet. Going to give them two weeks or so to respond because some of them haven't been active in a while. We have 10 returners signed up so far though which I think shows that we can support a keeper league. Also 6 new people have signed up already so we have gotten 16 interested people in only 2 days! I think we'll easily get 22-24 people by the time we'd need to have a draft. That's way more than one league can support and while I think buno's idea of having two leagues face off against each other could work, I think it might be better to keep them separate with an "upper" and "lower" division. Here's a rough outline of what I was thinking:
Upper League
-First year is a draft, but going forward you get 3-5 keepers per year. I've never been in a keeper league before so open to suggestions on how to pull it off. If you've done a keeper league before please share the system you use because I'm sure there are many. Also if anyone doesn't want to do keepers speak up but everyone seems to be in favor so far.
-Capped at 10-14 teams. We did 12 last year and it seemed about the right amount but would be open to more or less. I prefer not having divisions but if people want to keep the Chiaverini Division alive I completely understand 
-For starters I think NickZambo nailed it QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, WR/TE, DEF, K. We did 3 RBs last year and I think that's too many. Not a fan of the WR/TE/RB flex either.
-As for benches I think starters - 1 is about right. For the starters listed above that would be 8 bench players (and no restrictions). We could do IR spots too because its a keeper league. Probably will need to add some rule to make sure people can pick up IR guys in week 16 but I think it's useful to allow people to stash a Jamal Charles for next year if they want to.
-Bottom 2-4 teams get demoted and have to wear a sig of shame for some amount of time.
Lower League
-Unlimited teams to allow anyone to get involved. If there is crazy turnout it could even be split into 2 leagues. I'm thinking we'll only get enough for a 12 team league and a 14ish team league but if there are a lot more interested they could easily be split into two divisions with a buno style playoff at the end.
-This would not be a keeper league and redraft every season because there will likely be higher turnover.
-Starters & bench would mirror the upper tier sans IR spots.
-The top teams get promoted and finishing higher in the season ending tourney will get you better selection in the draft of the demoted keeper teams.
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All this is fine with me, but I would personally change the starting positions. Only 2 RB's (without a RB option for the flex) is slightly weak sauce, imo. If you want to have a flex option with no RB, then add another flex. It adds another element of strategy to building your team, which is always a good thing. Also, a growing trend that I see in leagues (and I like it) is eliminating the kicker position. It's pure luck. Any time you have an opportunity to eliminate the luck factor is a good thing, imo.
So, I prefer something like this:
QB, RB, RB, RB/WR Flex, WR, WR, WR/TE Flex, TE, DEF, no kicker
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nugpimpen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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I like Reggie's idea.
When you guys thinking of starting this bia?
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malibuspeedrace
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I do like the removal of K.
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freakygeniuskid
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| malibuspeedrace wrote: | | I do like the removal of K. |
I also support removing kickers in favor of a second flex that is WR/TE.
I would suggest a limit of 3 keepers for the upper league, I'm in a league with 6 and it makes it incredibly difficult for bad teams to recover from year to year.
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End Run
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| buno67 wrote: | | hornbybrown wrote: | I see one major problem with this. How will a keeper league work if we are going to be dropping people down and brining people up between the two leagues?
What if someone in lower league has Trent Richardson and they win and someone in the upper league allready has Trent?
If the person from the lower league has to drop all there players to move up that is a huge disadvantage. |
The upper league is the only league that is a keeper, lower league isn't. Top talent will be kept so the new guy will have the first 2-3picks to make up for the players who are kept and should get first pick to start the
Drafting but that isnt for another year so no need to work about it |
I personally think that, among the 2-4 teams that are turned-over, all of those team's players should be pooled and the new owners pick from that pool to get themselves up to the keeper limit. That, combined with the fact that they'll be picking first in the draft (assuming that whoever sets up the draft remembers their odds and evens in a snake draft) should be good enough to give them a fighting chance.
Just giving the new owners the first ~12 picks in the draft (4 (?)owners, 3 (?) picks each) is going to take a LOT of the fresh meat from the league (rookies), and take a lot of the fun out of it for the vets IMO.
Not really a right or wrong way to do it, just my $.02.
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End Run
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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And whatever the league's setup ends up being, IMO it is extremely important to have everything in writing re: rules, how teams are transferred, etc.
I play in a lot of keeper leagues, and they're all different. It can be difficult to remember which league is set up which way, and it's nice to have a League Charter that explains everything.
I've written quite a few, so if you want me to write one up when everything's decided I'll be more than happy to do so. I usually write one for my own personal use, even if the commish or nobody else does it. Like I said, it can be difficult to keep track of stuff.
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fatpig
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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whats the status on the league? i know we have plenty of time, i don't know if the league is up yet though. i logged into my ESPN and didn't see it listed.
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hornbybrown
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Can we not have the draft on the 16, 17, 18, of august. i will be having a drink or 100 on those days. Also a week or two's warning would be good as because of the stupid time difference i might need to take a day off work.
But if i just have to seat my order for the computer to pick then that's ok i have done well with that in the past.
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nugpimpen
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| hornbybrown wrote: | Can we not have the draft on the 16, 17, 18, of august. i will be having a drink or 100 on those days. Also a week or two's warning would be good as because of the stupid time difference i might need to take a day off work.
But if i just have to seat my order for the computer to pick then that's ok i have done well with that in the past. |
Notice is good.
I think a weeknight would probably make sense.
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hornbybrown
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| nugpimpen wrote: | | hornbybrown wrote: | Can we not have the draft on the 16, 17, 18, of august. i will be having a drink or 100 on those days. Also a week or two's warning would be good as because of the stupid time difference i might need to take a day off work.
But if i just have to seat my order for the computer to pick then that's ok i have done well with that in the past. |
Notice is good.
I think a weeknight would probably make sense. |
A Friday night your time works for me as I would not have to take a day off as that is a Saturday afternoon here.
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