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RockyDennis

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject:

the lone star wrote:

Gallo + Chandler = AK + Bud + Derrick .

No way. AK47 hasn't been good in years and no one really knows what to make out of Williams at the moment. For now he just doesn't fit with what the team is doing. Also, if you want to go 3 deep at the position for the Wolves then throw Jordan Hamilton or up there for the Nugs. I'd easily take him over Budinger.

CWood21

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:38 pm Post subject:

the lone star wrote:

Lawson + Andre => Rubio + Barea + Ridnour
Afflalo > Roy (we really have no idea what we are in store for here with Roy)
Gallo + Chandler > AK + Bud + Derrick
Faried < KLove
Mcgee < Pekovic

FIFY

Right now, Lawson is better than Ricky Rubio almost purely on the fact that he's healthy, but I expect to see Ricky Rubio improve drastically next year where the arrow will be pointing for a clear edge for the Wolves. As critical as I have been of Gallo, he's still better than anything the Wolves can spot at small forward. AK-47 is already 31 years old, and even when he was younger he had issues staying healthy. Obviously, if Derrick Williams turns into what people thought he could be going into last year's draft, this would change. But Nuggets definitely have an advantage here.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject:

RockyDennis wrote:

the lone star wrote:

Gallo + Chandler = AK + Bud + Derrick .

Lol wut? What has Hamilton proven in the NBA? He only played 26 games in his rookie season. Budinger is better than him and is more proven. I'd at least wait another season before we compare the two.
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RockyDennis

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject:

Texansfan713 wrote:

Lol wut? What has Hamilton proven in the NBA? He only played 26 games in his rookie season. Budinger is better than him and is more proven. I'd at least wait another season before we compare the two.

Hamilton is a stud. You will see soon enough.

Texansfan713

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject:

RockyDennis wrote:

Texansfan713 wrote:

Lol wut? What has Hamilton proven in the NBA? He only played 26 games in his rookie season. Budinger is better than him and is more proven. I'd at least wait another season before we compare the two.

Hamilton is a stud. You will see soon enough.

I really hope he is. I liked him coming out of Texas and wanted him as a Rocket before the draft, until I saw that Leonard was still on the board, and we ended up with Marcus Morris. Laughing

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the lone star

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject:

RockyDennis wrote:

Texansfan713 wrote:

Lol wut? What has Hamilton proven in the NBA? He only played 26 games in his rookie season. Budinger is better than him and is more proven. I'd at least wait another season before we compare the two.

Hamilton is a stud. You will see soon enough.

He was solid at Texas, but nothing too special.

However, I thought he was more of a 2 than a 3? He's got underrated handles and vision on the court, so that's why I say that, but he is a swingman, so he can play both.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject:

Texansfan713 wrote:

RockyDennis wrote:

the lone star wrote:

Gallo + Chandler = AK + Bud + Derrick .

Lol wut? What has Hamilton proven in the NBA? He only played 26 games in his rookie season. Budinger is better than him and is more proven. I'd at least wait another season before we compare the two.

Basically this. Budinger is a knock down 3 point shooter and can get to other spots on the floor. He's one of those guys that you would characterize as "deceptively athletic."
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject:

RockyDennis wrote:

the lone star wrote:

Gallo + Chandler = AK + Bud + Derrick .

He hasn't been the AK47 that we all grew to love, but he's still a very good team player that can shoot, post up, distribute the ball, rebound, and play defense. Gallo is the better scorer, but AK47 has a better all-around game.

Derrick Williams will be a stud. If you're gonna take Jordan Hamilton over Budinger, then I'll take Derrick Williams over Wilson Chandler and Hamilton.

His potential is unreal. I just hope he gets more playing time. The TWolves are pretty deep.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject:

CWood21 wrote:

the lone star wrote:

Lawson + Andre => Rubio + Barea + Ridnour
Afflalo > Roy (we really have no idea what we are in store for here with Roy)
Gallo + Chandler => AK + Bud + Derrick
Faried < KLove
Mcgee < Pekovic

Had to fix one error in the inequalities above.

When you say next year, are you talking about 2012-2013 or 2013-2014?

I think we are somewhat on the same page here. We both acknowledge that the Wolves have a lot of potential and will be the better team in the future. Right now is really hard for me to gauge because as of today, none of us know where a lot of the rookies/sophomores stand. Those guys are always quick to improve. I can see Faried as a double-double guy this year, but his ceiling isn't as high as Derrick Williams, that's fo sho. Rubio has a higher ceiling than Lawson too, I don't think anybody will deny that.

However, I will probably change my rankings for both conferences sometime soon because it looks like Dwight will stay in Orlando for a little while, and I am no longer so high on the Mavericks.
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RockyDennis

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject:

the lone star wrote:

Wolves have a lot of potential and will be the better team in the future.

I'm not sure I would even say that. You give Rubio way too much credit. He really wasnt even that good last year. Even if Rubio turns out to be a top ten point guard, the rest of the team outside Kevin Love isn't that impressive. I doubt Derrick Williams' game ever mixes well with Love. This guy is not going to cut it as a SF in this league. The Wolves are like the anti-Thunder. They missed on too many of their high picks. They won't be seeded any higher than 7 or 8 the next 2-3 years.

the lone star

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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:27 am Post subject:

RockyDennis wrote:

the lone star wrote:

Wolves have a lot of potential and will be the better team in the future.

We shall see I guess. Derrick Williams will cut it as a PF and KLove can play C in a fast lineup. That's something I expect the Wolves to go to at times, especially if AK47 is in there at SF.

Don't sleep on Rubio for the 2013-2014 season. Wink

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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:46 am Post subject:

l3lind golfer wrote:

You can't but Rubio over Lawson. For one, Lawson is EASILY better than Rubio RIGHT NOW and he's not coming off of a very serious injury.

Rubio's already proven he's the better defender, has more creativity, has better vision, can rebound more, and is the better passer (efficiency is an issue, but he's still better).

Lawson is the better shooter and better scorer, plus he's more efficient, but the potential Rubio has cannot be denied. He's only played a handful of games and showed us a lot already.

If Rubio's not better than Lawson this year, then 2013-2014 he will be fo sho.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:49 am Post subject:

1. Thunder
2. Lakers
3. Clippers
4. Spurs
5. Nuggets
6. Timberwolves
7. Mavericks
8. Grizzlies
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9. Trail Blazers
10. Jazz
11. Warriors
12. Rockets
13. Hornets
14. Kings
15. Suns
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the lone star

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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:26 am Post subject:

adam9 wrote:

Not bad. I think Grizzlies are better than the Mavs. Of course it is up to how well everyone gels together, which is going to be very interesting. Kaman has had the injury bug the past few seasons, and Brand has had it in the past. Dirk has had mild injury setbacks as well. We no longer have pure passing PGs and although Mayo at his best is better than JET at his best, I'm still a bit concerned about OJ. He will bounce back as he is now a starter, but these past two years are definitely worrisome.
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the lone star

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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:19 am Post subject:

Just read up on Rubio. Might miss more than half the season. Yikes. Didn't know that. I thought he would come back a month or two earlier than that. I also thought his injury occurred a bit earlier than it actually did.

2013-2014 it is.
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