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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:48 am    Post subject: The Premier Purple: DT Reply with quote

Let's indicate the best Vikings players in their history by position.

Today, the position is Defensive Tackle:

Honorable Mentions - Pat Williams, Henry Thomas, Doug Sutherland

5. Gary Larsen - The most unknown of the famed Purple People Eaters, Larsen was a 2-time Pro Bowler, who played on the opposite side of another member of this list.

4. Kevin Williams - While Williams' has tailed off in the last year or 2, many people have forgotten just how good of a player Kevin has been in purple, especially when teamed up with Phat Pat, who was also considered for this list. Kevin is a 6-time Pro Bowler and 5-time first team All-Pro and has notched 54 1/2 sacks in his 9-yr career.

3. Keith Millard - Millard was the first dominant DT I watched growing up. While some may think I have overrated Millard, his short career (due to injuries) derailed what could have been potentially a HOF career (at the pace he was going). He was NFL DPOY in 1989 when he notched 18 sacks, which is unheard of for a DT. However, what I also remember him most famously for what his off-the-field antics, including his literal run-in into the Hardees, trashing his Corvette in the drive-thru and then taking off on foot, as well as having another run-in (for disorderly conduct) at a hotel where he loudly proclaimed to the arresting officer "My arms are more powerful than your guns."

2. John Randle - If not for #1 on this list, Randle would easily be on the top of most people's lists. Next to Reggie White, John Randle, was by far, the best DT I have watched in my lifetime. He was an absolute monster with quickness and toughness that was unmatched by the OL he took on at the point of attack. Also, his trash talk was legendary amongst the players he played with and against. He had 8 consecutive years (and 9 out of 10)of over 10 sacks, which is astonishing.

1. Alan Page - The best defensive player on the Super Bowl teams, Page was a man ahead of his time. Even though it was not recorded at the time, Page tallied more sacks than Randle, had 28 blocked kicks, and 23 fumble recoveries. He was also a 9-time Pro Bowler and 6-time 1st team all-pro and was the first defensive player to ever win the NFL MVP award (1971). That's enough to make him #1 on this list.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incredible talent on this list.. especially when u consider that fat Pat and Henry Thomas were mere honorable mentions
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to argue against #1-4 on the list... I could possibly see Millard and Williams getting flipped, if the rater prefers a player who has longevity with very good production (Williams) to a player who has elite production over a shorter timespan (Millard). But really when it comes down to it, that's just a matter of personal preference...

I never saw Larsen play, so I would have to ask the old-timers if he should be placed ahead of Henry Thomas or not. I remember Thomas as being a great penetrating NT from that "cocked" position, who was great against the run but also a force in the pass rush too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Phat Pat should be #5 personally. Otherwise great list, we've always seem to have good DTs.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would definitely put Kevin Williams ahead of Keith Millard.

Williams has had a much better career and was one of the top two or three one-gap DTs in the NFL for about six years.

I'd put Williams ahead of John Randle too for that matter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DT is one of the positions the Vikings were extremely deep at...I didn't even mention:

Jerry Ball
Tim Newton
James White (replaced Alan Page)
Charlie Johnson (early to mid-80s)
Chris Hovan
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

milanb wrote:
I'd put Williams ahead of John Randle too for that matter.


I can buy Williams ahead of Millard, but this? I'd like to hear the actual reasoning for this, considering K-Will, even at his peak, was never the disruptor that Randle was. Randle was at a whole other level.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disaacs wrote:
milanb wrote:
I'd put Williams ahead of John Randle too for that matter.


I can buy Williams ahead of Millard, but this? I'd like to hear the actual reasoning for this, considering K-Will, even at his peak, was never the disruptor that Randle was. Randle was at a whole other level.


Agree.

IMO your original list is perfect.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do want to turn this into draft related, but this is a strong list of DT here.
We may have good DT dept, but I'd really like to see us get another game changing DT for the future.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disaacs wrote:
milanb wrote:
I'd put Williams ahead of John Randle too for that matter.


I can buy Williams ahead of Millard, but this? I'd like to hear the actual reasoning for this, considering K-Will, even at his peak, was never the disruptor that Randle was. Randle was at a whole other level.


John Randle was an undersized DT who was a great pass rusher and less than great when it came to stopping the run. It's not all about the sack totals.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly, he was undersized, but Randle also had significantly less talent around him to take on offensive linemen.

This was actually the first season that K-Will took on double teams...and he suffered for it. John Randle always took on the double teams. That's the reason why they had to move him along the line all the time. Teams would always try to get their double team on Randle because he was that good.

I'll agree that sacks aren't everything and K-Will is a significantly better run-stopper, but Randle was a lot more than just a sack artist. He was a disruptor. Teams had to game-plan against John Randle regardless of who was on the defensive line. They didn't really "game-plan" against Kevin Williams without Pat.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disaacs wrote:
Certainly, he was undersized, but Randle also had significantly less talent around him to take on offensive linemen.

This was actually the first season that K-Will took on double teams...and he suffered for it. John Randle always took on the double teams. That's the reason why they had to move him along the line all the time. Teams would always try to get their double team on Randle because he was that good.

I'll agree that sacks aren't everything and K-Will is a significantly better run-stopper, but Randle was a lot more than just a sack artist. He was a disruptor. Teams had to game-plan against John Randle regardless of who was on the defensive line. They didn't really "game-plan" against Kevin Williams without Pat.


Randle was a better player than Kevin Williams, without a doubt. I saw both players in their primes and Randle was more disruptive, more feared and played with a motor that was second to none. Kevin Williams was a great player, but he didnt create near the disruption that Randle did.

KW was a much more fundamentally sound player which made him a better run defender, but Randle did a better job, as you said, splitting double teams and disrupting running lanes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that our honorable mentions might be better than a couple teams #1...although I am way too busy to do the research and figure this out.
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JMac79 wrote:
I never saw Larsen play, so I would have to ask the old-timers if he should be placed ahead of Henry Thomas or not. I remember Thomas as being a great penetrating NT from that "cocked" position, who was great against the run but also a force in the pass rush too.

Larsen rarely rushed the passer. his job was to secure the running lanes should anyone actually get by Eller, Page, and Marshall.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it comes down to who had the best career stats, Page was obviously the best. If it came down to who was the better player, I would actually put Keith Millard at the top of the list of Viking DT. Yes, that's high praise, but I've never seen a more dominant DT than Millard when he was at the top of his game. In my opinion, John Randle was nowhere near as good as Millard was. Had Millard's career not been shortened by injury, he may very well be in discussions on this board as possibly the best in league history.

My list would look like this:

1) Millard
2) Page


3) Randle
4) K. Williams
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