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oakdb36
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | 7th doesn't seem enough to me. Murphy hardly ever dropped anything and he had youth on his side, yes we're stacked at WR but a 7th?? |
Just noticed this. Murphy did drop the ball actually. If there was a 50% chance DHB was gonna drop a ball then I'd say Murphy was round 25 to 33 %. He had more drops than you remember, I'm sure of it. |
i remember quite a few as well. He wasnt as bad as DHB, but he wasnt exactly reliable in that regard, either. |
His only claim to fame was being the best of a pathetic bunch of WRs 3 years ago. Imo, he's a career backup and we should be happy to get anything for him.
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Silver&Black88
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | 7th doesn't seem enough to me. Murphy hardly ever dropped anything and he had youth on his side, yes we're stacked at WR but a 7th?? |
Just noticed this. Murphy did drop the ball actually. If there was a 50% chance DHB was gonna drop a ball then I'd say Murphy was round 25 to 33 %. He had more drops than you remember, I'm sure of it. |
i remember quite a few as well. He wasnt as bad as DHB, but he wasnt exactly reliable in that regard, either. |
That's what I mean. It wasn't a big problem but it happened enough for it to be a minor issue with him. Even Ford drops one now and then. The most reliable hands of our WRs belong to Moore imo. And IIRC he might've dropped some last year too
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ZoomWaffle
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | 7th doesn't seem enough to me. Murphy hardly ever dropped anything and he had youth on his side, yes we're stacked at WR but a 7th?? |
Just noticed this. Murphy did drop the ball actually. If there was a 50% chance DHB was gonna drop a ball then I'd say Murphy was round 25 to 33 %. He had more drops than you remember, I'm sure of it. |
i remember quite a few as well. He wasnt as bad as DHB, but he wasnt exactly reliable in that regard, either. |
That's what I mean. It wasn't a big problem but it happened enough for it to be a minor issue with him. Even Ford drops one now and then. The most reliable hands of our WRs belong to Moore imo. And IIRC he might've dropped some last year too |
He did drop a few I think, but I still agree that he has the most reliable hands out of all our WRs. Drops suck, but I think they are overrated. The key, of course, is that they have to do enough to make up for the drops with good route running, big plays, and contributions to the offense in general.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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had to post , needed to see my avatar and sig (yes after 4yrs i`m finally getting with the times.lol) good trade, could be better trade if murphy does something, he would have been odd man out or a free agent anyway, yes he did have the dropsies too no doubt about that, gives us more cap room so we can better ourselves hopefully ( i dont even care where, we could use better players or depth in several areas) just as long as he has no breakout game against us!! LOL!!  and thanks to JTagg for the avatar and sig! way to help out the computer caveman! LMAO!
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ok, obviously i havent quite got the sig right.lol any help out there anyone? 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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7th rounder? I'll take it. I appreciated his effort and occasional big plays when the WR unit was dismal. He should be productive with CAR since he'll have more opportunity to do so there
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| oakdb36 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | 7th doesn't seem enough to me. Murphy hardly ever dropped anything and he had youth on his side, yes we're stacked at WR but a 7th?? |
Just noticed this. Murphy did drop the ball actually. If there was a 50% chance DHB was gonna drop a ball then I'd say Murphy was round 25 to 33 %. He had more drops than you remember, I'm sure of it. |
i remember quite a few as well. He wasnt as bad as DHB, but he wasnt exactly reliable in that regard, either. |
His only claim to fame was being the best of a pathetic bunch of WRs 3 years ago. Imo, he's a career backup and we should be happy to get anything for him. |
+1
He did well as a rookie, and he wasnt bad by any means in 2010, but he was exactly what you said: the best of a sorry group of WRs. With a good QB, a good supporting cast, a chance to start, and no injuries, he could probably be a pretty good WR, but he will never be a star. I appreciate what he did in the dismal 2009 and 2010 seasons, but in the big picture he wasnt all that good. Inconsistancy, injuries, inexperience, lack of ability- whatever the reasons, he just never put it all together to be anything more. He's not a bag player, but yea, he is probably best suited as a #3 WR, maybe #2 in the right system w/ the right team.
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | ... wonder if Braylon Edwards would take $1million for the year |
His contract with SF last year was only for $1 million with nothing guaranteed. There were some incentive-based bonuses that could increase it to $3 million or something like that. Seeing as he accepted that kind of offer a year ago, and hasnt done anything to warrant more money since then, it could be possible. Part of me wants him because drops aside, he is big, fast, attacks the ball, wins jump balls, and can make tough grabs. However, I dont know if theres much room for him right now- especially since WRs usually dont have a big impact when they first join a new team. |
If you look his stats up Edwards has progressively cleaned up his hands yet still carries the stigma of having the dropsies (sound familiar?). Although the Raiders seemed stacked at WR for a cool $1M I would endorse Edwards as it would give the Raiders two physically imposing bookends and, should he pan out, the potential to offer Ford as a RS/WR trade bait and expanding Moore's role as a RS. I like this move significantly more than Benson.
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ya, if you look at what others like holmes was traded for we got fair value no doubt.
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ZoomWaffle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | ... wonder if Braylon Edwards would take $1million for the year |
His contract with SF last year was only for $1 million with nothing guaranteed. There were some incentive-based bonuses that could increase it to $3 million or something like that. Seeing as he accepted that kind of offer a year ago, and hasnt done anything to warrant more money since then, it could be possible. Part of me wants him because drops aside, he is big, fast, attacks the ball, wins jump balls, and can make tough grabs. However, I dont know if theres much room for him right now- especially since WRs usually dont have a big impact when they first join a new team. |
If you look his stats up Edwards has progressively cleaned up his hands yet still carries the stigma of having the dropsies (sound familiar?). Although the Raiders seemed stacked at WR for a cool $1M I would endorse Edwards as it would give the Raiders two physically imposing bookends and, should he pan out, the potential to offer Ford as a RS/WR trade bait and expanding Moore's role as a RS. I like this move significantly more than Benson. |
Yes, he definitely has, although his reception totals have also dropped drastically. He has only averaged 33 catches in the last 3 years, so his chances to drop totals have also decreased because of that. From 2008-2010 he had the worst drop percentage in the NFL at 14%. If he catches 33 balls, it only takes 3-4 drops to hit that same percentage.
But honestly, yes he has improved his drop rate. I was only stating drops because that is really the only complaint about his game, and everything else is good- assuming he is fully healed from his injury of course. I would welcome him for $1M, but I don't think I would shop Ford. Edwards has been very up and down in his career- and mostly down in the last 4 years for various reasons, so I would want Ford just in case- plus it would allow Moore to focus strictly as a WR.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | I'm guessing if he makes the squad it's a 7th, if not zilch. I'm not looking for an upgrade as Murph-Dog wasn't making the squad. The Raiders lost nothing and gained a potential draft pick and cap space. Quibbling over an upgrade is like when two negotiating parties can't get a deal done over pennies. As a long time suffering fan you have GOT to appreciate the way the Raiders are now doing business. |
Yeah we know all that. None of it is in dispute. I just want to know the particulars of the deal if that is OK. I'm greedy. Sue me.
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Just wondering if the conditional part is that we could get Carolina's 7th or the 7th they got from the Jets for Jeff Otah.
Hard to be sure at this point.
We need as many sure thing picks as we can get. We already owe our 2nd rounder to Cincy for Palmer. And we have a conditional mid-round pick that we have to send to Seattle to finish the Aaron Curry deal.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | Dreadymatt wrote: | | ... wonder if Braylon Edwards would take $1million for the year |
His contract with SF last year was only for $1 million with nothing guaranteed. There were some incentive-based bonuses that could increase it to $3 million or something like that. Seeing as he accepted that kind of offer a year ago, and hasnt done anything to warrant more money since then, it could be possible. Part of me wants him because drops aside, he is big, fast, attacks the ball, wins jump balls, and can make tough grabs. However, I dont know if theres much room for him right now- especially since WRs usually dont have a big impact when they first join a new team. |
If you look his stats up Edwards has progressively cleaned up his hands yet still carries the stigma of having the dropsies (sound familiar?). Although the Raiders seemed stacked at WR for a cool $1M I would endorse Edwards as it would give the Raiders two physically imposing bookends and, should he pan out, the potential to offer Ford as a RS/WR trade bait and expanding Moore's role as a RS. I like this move significantly more than Benson. |
I relfect your sentiment, lets bring in Edwards
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I liked Murphy. I'll never forget a few years back, the opening game againt SD (Seymour's 1st game, AFL uni's), 4th and long, very little time left in the 4th quarter, and (Dare I say it) Russell threw up the bomb for murphy who caught it for six to take the lead. Even though it was 90% a blown coverage, and we lost, I'll never forget it.
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| BryBry00G wrote: | | I liked Murphy. I'll never forget a few years back, the opening game againt SD (Seymour's 1st game, AFL uni's), 4th and long, very little time left in the 4th quarter, and (Dare I say it) Russell threw up the bomb for murphy who caught it for six to take the lead. Even though it was 90% a blown coverage, and we lost, I'll never forget it. |
I'll also never forget the TD the refs overturned before halftime of that game. Or the game where he went beast mode against the Steelers. Or his game tying TD catch against the Bengals. And most of all, his effort blocking all the way down the field on Zach Millers long TD catch and run against the Eagles. I think that play really summed up what he's all about.
So long Murph! I wish him well.
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