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reckless123
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| tonyto3690 wrote: | Underrated:
-Boozer
-Deng
-Gibson
-Noah
Overrated:
-Rose
I know that looks like I'm just hating on Rose, but seriously. It's disgusting how discredited the first four get just because Rose is their teammate. All this nonsense about "Rose doesn't have any help!" is completely mindboggling.
The funniest however has to be "Rose has to shot a ton because no one else can shoot!" Um hello? You have the best 3 point specialist, a top 5 SF, a top 5 C, and a PF who's entire game was creating his own offense and being a scoring forward.
He has 3 teammates who are top 5 at their position, all 3 were elite defensive players, and made the best rebounding frontcourt in the NBA by a large margin. He has the best bench shooter in the NBA (now that Ray is a bench player, that's an arguable point). He had the best backup PG in the NBA (Harden is not a PG), He had the best bench big in the NBA. He had literally the best front court in the NBA with the best bench by far in the NBA, yet all everyone can talk about is how little help he is and he doesn't have a SG to help him out.
It's just appalling how much credit he gets for his teammates dominating opposing teams offenses into submission. He's a mediocre defensive player (an improvement from his MVP year) |
i dunno how somebody can be overrated because the guys on his team are under-appreciated.
Joakim Noah is more of a defensive player, Deng is good. Offensively he doesnt have much help. That team is derrick rose or bust in the playoffs.
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seminoles1
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| tonyto3690 wrote: | | He has 3 teammates who are top 5 at their position, all 3 were elite defensive players, and made the best rebounding frontcourt in the NBA by a large margin. He has the best bench shooter in the NBA (now that Ray is a bench player, that's an arguable point). He had the best backup PG in the NBA (Harden is not a PG), He had the best bench big in the NBA. He had literally the best front court in the NBA with the best bench by far in the NBA, yet all everyone can talk about is how little help he is and he doesn't have a SG to help him out. |
Joakim Noah a top 5 C...  I'd love to hear an argument for him over Howard, Bynum, Gasol, Jefferson, Hibbert, Nene, Garnett, Chandler, or Horford. Noah's not for sure better than Cousins, Monroe, Duncan, or Lopez either.
Deng isn't a top 5 SF either. James, Durant, Anthony, Pierce, Gay and Iggy are better. Granger is right there with him as well.
Who is the 3rd teammate who's top 5 at his position? I sure as hell hope you don't mean Boozer. Well I actually just saw you think Boozer is a fringe top 10 PF... I guess that's true. Love, Aldridge, Griffin, Gasol, Bosh, Dirk, Millsap, Smith, Randolph, and Amare are definitely better. Then you've got Ilyasova, Lee, Anderson, and Humphries with Boozer after those 10. So who's the 3rd? You called this person an elite defensive player...do you mean Gibson? Because that would be hysterical as well to consider him a top 5 PF. Richard Hamilton? Good lord if you mean Richard Hamilton then all hope is lost.
As for a better backup PG...Andre Miller, Goran Dragic, Mo Williams, and George Hill are better with a couple others being arguable.
The Lakers also have the best frontcourt in the NBA, not Chicago. 2 players significantly better than any Chicago player? That's a no brainer.
You severely overrate Rose's supporting cast.
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Dolphins82
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| tonyto3690 wrote: | Underrated:
-Boozer
-Deng
-Gibson
-Noah
Overrated:
-Rose
I know that looks like I'm just hating on Rose, but seriously. It's disgusting how discredited the first four get just because Rose is their teammate. All this nonsense about "Rose doesn't have any help!" is completely mindboggling.
The funniest however has to be "Rose has to shot a ton because no one else can shoot!" Um hello? You have the best 3 point specialist, a top 5 SF, a top 5 C, and a PF who's entire game was creating his own offense and being a scoring forward.
He has 3 teammates who are top 5 at their position, all 3 were elite defensive players, and made the best rebounding frontcourt in the NBA by a large margin. He has the best bench shooter in the NBA (now that Ray is a bench player, that's an arguable point). He had the best backup PG in the NBA (Harden is not a PG), He had the best bench big in the NBA. He had literally the best front court in the NBA with the best bench by far in the NBA, yet all everyone can talk about is how little help he is and he doesn't have a SG to help him out.
It's just appalling how much credit he gets for his teammates dominating opposing teams offenses into submission. He's a mediocre defensive player (an improvement from his MVP year) |
I know I'm the local homer, but I don't even know what to call this right here.
- Best 3 point specialist? Not even the best in his conference (Allen & Terry). lol at it being 'arguable' that Ray's better than him
- 5 SF: Granger, Melo, Iggy, Pierce, and you could really argue Wallace, and that's just in the East WITHOUT MENTIONING JAMES lolol
- 5 C: Chandler, Hibbert, Horford, NeNe, Garnett.......just the east
- Boozer creating own his own? In his best season he was assisted on 70% of his shots.
- Backup PGs: Barrea, Mo Williams, Dragic, George Hill
- Nobody on that team is an elite defender (not even Deng)
Usually I would just consider this someone trolling and trying to get a rise out of people but man.....I think you actually believe this stuff
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I think the agenda is to knock down Rose, in attempt to somehow prop up Rondo.
That has to be the motive.....I see no other possibility.
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the lone star
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| Dolphins82 wrote: | I think the agenda is to knock down Rose, in attempt to somehow prop up Rondo.
That has to be the motive.....I see no other possibility. |
Well Rose isn't an incredible passer, shooter, or defender, but I wouldn't say he is overrated or underrated. He is what he is, and that's a top 3 PG in the game. Top 5 depending on who is making the rankings.
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| the lone star wrote: | | Dolphins82 wrote: | I think the agenda is to knock down Rose, in attempt to somehow prop up Rondo.
That has to be the motive.....I see no other possibility. |
Well Rose isn't an incredible passer, shooter, or defender, but I wouldn't say he is overrated or underrated. He is what he is, and that's a top 3 PG in the game. Top 5 depending on who is making the rankings. |
The only person that who I've heard really say some outlandish ish about Rose is Ric Buecher and I feel that was only in attempt to disrespect James.
LeBatard & Stugotz roasted him lmao
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Overrated:
Andrew Bynum
Kevin Garnett
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Kyle Lowry
John Wall
Underrated:
Rajon Rondo
Andre Iguodala
Paul Millsap
Kenneth Faried
Kendrick Perkins
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| AntiSuperstar wrote: | Overrated:
Andrew Bynum
Kevin Garnett
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Kyle Lowry
John Wall
Underrated:
Rajon Rondo
Andre Iguodala
Paul Millsap
Kenneth Faried |
lol at Al Jefferson and Brook Lopez being overrated. I never hear a SINGLE thing about Al Jefferson despite him being one of the best Cs in the league, he's stupidly underrated and Brook Lopez gets hated on more than any other C in the league because of his lack of rebounding and defense. I can't see how you find either of them overrated.
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| Harper41 wrote: | | lol at Al Jefferson and Brook Lopez being overrated. I never hear a SINGLE thing about Al Jefferson despite him being one of the best Cs in the league, he's stupidly underrated and Brook Lopez gets hated on more than any other C in the league because of his lack of rebounding and defense. I can't see how you find either of them overrated. |
Al Jefferson is as likely to take his team out of the game as anything and when he faces off against defenders like Howard he essentially becomes a softy fadeaway player who throws up bricks. He doesn't screen, pass, or defend well and he's not a great jump-shooter either. But he can score 19 points a game if you want to take everyone else out of the offense. Classic loser. He's like the post-up version of Antawn Jamison. A guy who has impressive moves and puts up impressive numbers, but can never be a key focal point on a contending team.
Brook Lopez couldn't possibly be hated on enough for his awful defense.
Oh and I forgot another one: Amare Stoudemire.
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| AntiSuperstar wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | lol at Al Jefferson and Brook Lopez being overrated. I never hear a SINGLE thing about Al Jefferson despite him being one of the best Cs in the league, he's stupidly underrated and Brook Lopez gets hated on more than any other C in the league because of his lack of rebounding and defense. I can't see how you find either of them overrated. |
Al Jefferson is as likely to take his team out of the game as anything and when he faces off against defenders like Howard he essentially becomes a softy fadeaway player who throws up bricks. He doesn't screen, pass, or defend well and he's not a great jump-shooter either. But he can score 19 points a game if you want to take everyone else out of the offense. Classic loser. He's like the post-up version of Antawn Jamison. A guy who has impressive moves and puts up impressive numbers, but can never be a key focal point on a contending team.
Brook Lopez couldn't possibly be hated on enough for his awful defense.
Oh and I forgot another one: Amare Stoudemire. |
Jefferson does rebound though, and he will block shots. People forget about his contributions there. He has come a long way since his first few seasons in the league. He is definitely a top 5 C in the league and has gotten better at cleaning up around the boards and protecting the rim. And like you said, he still has some impressive moves and will put up a good amount of points per game.
He won't be a focal point of an offense, sure, but nobody is really asking him to be. If you put him on a team like the Mavs, he would be a very good contributor, as he complements Dirk pretty well.
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| the lone star wrote: |
He won't be a focal point of an offense, sure, but nobody is really asking him to be. If you put him on a team like the Mavs, he would be a very good contributor, as he complements Dirk pretty well. |
Al Jefferson complements Dirk perfectly
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| Dolphins82 wrote: | I think the agenda is to knock down Rose, in attempt to somehow prop up Rondo.
That has to be the motive.....I see no other possibility. |
I'm forced to agree.
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| Ice_Dude_2008 wrote: | | the lone star wrote: |
He won't be a focal point of an offense, sure, but nobody is really asking him to be. If you put him on a team like the Mavs, he would be a very good contributor, as he complements Dirk pretty well. |
Al Jefferson complements Dirk perfectly |
I think so as well. Dirk is a SF on offense, which forces Marion to play in the paint a lot. That gives us an undersized post game, and that held true for our championship run, some people really forget that. Tyson, for all of his length, athleticism, and grit, is still not as bulky as many other centers out there, especially the top 5 guys like Dwight, Bynum, Jefferson, Marc Gasol, Bogut, Hibbert, etc. That really hurt us at times, as we were the 3rd worst offensive rebounding team during the 2010-2011 regular season, and 6th worst at it in the playoffs.
That's why I really hope we get Dwight. He is such a great complement to Dirk. Wow, that would be sick, especially if we keep our backcourt, or somehow get CP3.
Tis a pipe dream though...........for now.
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Why are you guys listing George Hill as a back up? He is our starting point gaurd and was for the majority of the season last year.
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| the lone star wrote: | | AntiSuperstar wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | lol at Al Jefferson and Brook Lopez being overrated. I never hear a SINGLE thing about Al Jefferson despite him being one of the best Cs in the league, he's stupidly underrated and Brook Lopez gets hated on more than any other C in the league because of his lack of rebounding and defense. I can't see how you find either of them overrated. |
Al Jefferson is as likely to take his team out of the game as anything and when he faces off against defenders like Howard he essentially becomes a softy fadeaway player who throws up bricks. He doesn't screen, pass, or defend well and he's not a great jump-shooter either. But he can score 19 points a game if you want to take everyone else out of the offense. Classic loser. He's like the post-up version of Antawn Jamison. A guy who has impressive moves and puts up impressive numbers, but can never be a key focal point on a contending team.
Brook Lopez couldn't possibly be hated on enough for his awful defense.
Oh and I forgot another one: Amare Stoudemire. |
Jefferson does rebound though, and he will block shots. People forget about his contributions there. He has come a long way since his first few seasons in the league. He is definitely a top 5 C in the league and has gotten better at cleaning up around the boards and protecting the rim. And like you said, he still has some impressive moves and will put up a good amount of points per game.
He won't be a focal point of an offense, sure, but nobody is really asking him to be. If you put him on a team like the Mavs, he would be a very good contributor, as he complements Dirk pretty well. |
Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Marcin Gortat
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