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skatebeanz
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The more I think about it the less impressive it becomes. I know bash me. But the QBs are trash and they just had to play the run the whole time. That is why you can play 2 NTs and stuff the run. I wonder if the Titans didn't have a better defense.
| Quote: | | "The Titans first playoff game came against their bitter division rivals, the Baltimore Ravens," Pro Football Prospectus continued. "Clearly prepared for a rematch with Baltimore's stifling defense, the Titans outgained the Ravens 317 yards to 134. They converted 23 first downs to the Ravens' 6. They had a time of possession advantage of 40:29-19:31. And they lost the game 24-10." |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Tennessee_Titans_season
I dunno if the best defense of all time would allow your team to have a 1:2 disadvantage in TOP and yards.
Tenn allowed less YPG, YPP, 3rd%, 1Dns/game, 4Dn%. TEN allowed 8% conversion on 4th BAL allowed 21%. TEN had 55 sacks Bal had 35. TEN allowed only 1 more TD then the Ravens on offense. But they allowed 3 INTs for TDs against their offense. Their ST also allowed 3 more FGs. However BAL had an incredible amount of FRs.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| skatebeanz wrote: | The more I think about it the less impressive it becomes. I know bash me. But the QBs are trash and they just had to play the run the whole time. That is why you can play 2 NTs and stuff the run. I wonder if the Titans didn't have a better defense.
| Quote: | | "The Titans first playoff game came against their bitter division rivals, the Baltimore Ravens," Pro Football Prospectus continued. "Clearly prepared for a rematch with Baltimore's stifling defense, the Titans outgained the Ravens 317 yards to 134. They converted 23 first downs to the Ravens' 6. They had a time of possession advantage of 40:29-19:31. And they lost the game 24-10." |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Tennessee_Titans_season
I dunno if the best defense of all time would allow your team to have a 1:2 disadvantage in TOP and yards.
Tenn allowed less YPG, YPP, 3rd%, 1Dns/game, 4Dn%. TEN allowed 8% conversion on 4th BAL allowed 21%. TEN had 55 sacks Bal had 35. TEN allowed only 1 more TD then the Ravens on offense. But they allowed 3 INTs for TDs against their offense. Their ST also allowed 3 more FGs. However BAL had an incredible amount of FRs. |
That stats in the Titans game is a lot more indicative of the offensive differences than defensive. Our offense was atrocious, theirs was not.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| skatebeanz wrote: | The more I think about it the less impressive it becomes. I know bash me. But the QBs are trash and they just had to play the run the whole time. That is why you can play 2 NTs and stuff the run. I wonder if the Titans didn't have a better defense.
| Quote: | | "The Titans first playoff game came against their bitter division rivals, the Baltimore Ravens," Pro Football Prospectus continued. "Clearly prepared for a rematch with Baltimore's stifling defense, the Titans outgained the Ravens 317 yards to 134. They converted 23 first downs to the Ravens' 6. They had a time of possession advantage of 40:29-19:31. And they lost the game 24-10." |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Tennessee_Titans_season
I dunno if the best defense of all time would allow your team to have a 1:2 disadvantage in TOP and yards.
Tenn allowed less YPG, YPP, 3rd%, 1Dns/game, 4Dn%. TEN allowed 8% conversion on 4th BAL allowed 21%. TEN had 55 sacks Bal had 35. TEN allowed only 1 more TD then the Ravens on offense. But they allowed 3 INTs for TDs against their offense. Their ST also allowed 3 more FGs. However BAL had an incredible amount of FRs. |
It really seems that you're just looking for ways to discredit that team...
Tenn was a very good team, very balanced as well with a good defence, great running game and pro-bowl QB. How what happened in one game invalidates what happened in all 20 (including playoffs), in which the Ravens still won, I do not know.
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skatebeanz
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| sp6488 wrote: | | skatebeanz wrote: | The more I think about it the less impressive it becomes. I know bash me. But the QBs are trash and they just had to play the run the whole time. That is why you can play 2 NTs and stuff the run. I wonder if the Titans didn't have a better defense.
| Quote: | | "The Titans first playoff game came against their bitter division rivals, the Baltimore Ravens," Pro Football Prospectus continued. "Clearly prepared for a rematch with Baltimore's stifling defense, the Titans outgained the Ravens 317 yards to 134. They converted 23 first downs to the Ravens' 6. They had a time of possession advantage of 40:29-19:31. And they lost the game 24-10." |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Tennessee_Titans_season
I dunno if the best defense of all time would allow your team to have a 1:2 disadvantage in TOP and yards.
Tenn allowed less YPG, YPP, 3rd%, 1Dns/game, 4Dn%. TEN allowed 8% conversion on 4th BAL allowed 21%. TEN had 55 sacks Bal had 35. TEN allowed only 1 more TD then the Ravens on offense. But they allowed 3 INTs for TDs against their offense. Their ST also allowed 3 more FGs. However BAL had an incredible amount of FRs. |
It really seems that you're just looking for ways to discredit that team...
Tenn was a very good team, very balanced as well with a good defence, great running game and pro-bowl QB. How what happened in one game invalidates what happened in all 20 (including playoffs), in which the Ravens still won, I do not know. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| skatebeanz wrote: | | The more I think about it the less impressive it becomes. I know bash me. But the QBs are trash and they just had to play the run the whole time. That is why you can play 2 NTs and stuff the run. I wonder if the Titans didn't have a better defense. |
None of this explains why the Ravens rush defense was historically elite. Those running backs had the same personnel when they played against every other team they faced that season, and yet they still flourished. Whereas when they faced the Ravens, they were absolutely annihilated.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | "The Titans first playoff game came against their bitter division rivals, the Baltimore Ravens," Pro Football Prospectus continued. "Clearly prepared for a rematch with Baltimore's stifling defense, the Titans outgained the Ravens 317 yards to 134. They converted 23 first downs to the Ravens' 6. They had a time of possession advantage of 40:29-19:31. And they lost the game 24-10." |
I dunno if the best defense of all time would allow your team to have a 1:2 disadvantage in TOP and yards. |
Right, none of that TOP discrepancy could have possibly had to do with our anemic offense being unable to muster more than 6 first downs.
For all of thsoe advantages the Titans enjoyed, they still only managed to get into the end zone once. We got lucky with Del Greco missing a couple of FG's, but one of his misses was a block. And then of course, there's that little detail where Ray Lewis sealed the win by stripping the ball from Eddie George to rumble 50 yards for a touchdown when we were protecting a 7 point lead. If you ever needed a difference between the two defenses, that right there was it. Neither offense was producing, but the Ravens defense was able to take matters into their own hands. The fact that the Ravens spent 40 minutes on the field and still did is a testament to how good they could be, not how bad. Even their version of bend-don't-break was better than anyone else's.
| Quote: | | Tenn allowed less YPG, YPP, 3rd%, 1Dns/game, 4Dn%. TEN allowed 8% conversion on 4th BAL allowed 21%. TEN had 55 sacks Bal had 35. TEN allowed only 1 more TD then the Ravens on offense. But they allowed 3 INTs for TDs against their offense. Their ST also allowed 3 more FGs. However BAL had an incredible amount of FRs. |
Single season points record. Forced an insane amount of turnovers. When you keep the other team from scoring and you keep taking the ball away from the offense better than almost anybody in history, what more can you ask for? And as I've already mentioned several times, the Ravens kept it up in the playoffs. Held the 2nd ranked Broncos offense to 3 points. Sealed the Titans win with Ray's big play. Knocked Rich Gannon out of the game and held Oakland to 3 points in Oakland. Shut out a red-hot Giants team in the Super Bowl that had just hung 41 on the Vikings in the NFCCG (their only touchdown was a kick return).
And for the record, I don't think you're a hater. I just think you're wrong.
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| BaltimoreTerp wrote: | | . Forced an insane amount of turnovers. |
They were like 7th in INTS and FRs are a bunch luck based. BAL only got 4 more INTS than the Titans.
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| RandyMossIsBoss wrote: | | Ray Lewis. It seems to be me that their are so many coaches who have coached Ray and gone on to bigger and better things. Either Ray has been blessed with consistently getting elite coaches or maybe he just makes everyone look good because he is such a beast. I'm thinking the latter. |
Agreed. No one matches his intensity... or atleast shows it like he does 
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| skatebeanz wrote: | | BaltimoreTerp wrote: | | . Forced an insane amount of turnovers. |
They were like 7th in INTS and FRs are a bunch luck based. BAL only got 4 more INTS than the Titans. |
A.) They still had more interceptions.
B.) That fumbles are purely luck is a sabermetician's cop-out. Fumble recoveries are also a reflection of awareness, coaching, and instincts. Not to mention, you have to force those fumbles in the first place to put yourself in a position to recover them.
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skatebeanz
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| BaltimoreTerp wrote: | | skatebeanz wrote: | | BaltimoreTerp wrote: | | . Forced an insane amount of turnovers. |
They were like 7th in INTS and FRs are a bunch luck based. BAL only got 4 more INTS than the Titans. |
A.) They still had more interceptions.
B.) That fumbles are purely luck is a sabermetician's cop-out. Fumble recoveries are also a reflection of awareness, coaching, and instincts. Not to mention, you have to force those fumbles in the first place to put yourself in a position to recover them. |
I agree. But everyone one of them the O could have lost track of them. So it is worth noting.
They did have more yes. They also allowed like 7 more 4th down attempts to succeed which is equivalent.
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| skatebeanz wrote: | | BaltimoreTerp wrote: | | skatebeanz wrote: | | BaltimoreTerp wrote: | | . Forced an insane amount of turnovers. |
They were like 7th in INTS and FRs are a bunch luck based. BAL only got 4 more INTS than the Titans. |
A.) They still had more interceptions.
B.) That fumbles are purely luck is a sabermetician's cop-out. Fumble recoveries are also a reflection of awareness, coaching, and instincts. Not to mention, you have to force those fumbles in the first place to put yourself in a position to recover them. |
I agree. But everyone one of them the O could have lost track of them. So it is worth noting.
They did have more yes. They also allowed like 7 more 4th down attempts to succeed which is equivalent. |
First off, that's not really equivalent (I'm also curious where you got that stat)
Secondly, you are really stretching at this point.
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Because that analysis robs the situation of all context. A quarterback following 2 feet forward on a 4th and inches QB sneak doesn't reflect as poorly on a defense as an interception would reflect positively on that defense, for example.
Furthermore, by your logic, the 15 failed 4th down conversions against the Ravens (compared to 11 for Tennessee) would count as forced turnovers, no?
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| BaltimoreTerp wrote: | Because that analysis robs the situation of all context. A quarterback following 2 feet forward on a 4th and inches QB sneak doesn't reflect as poorly on a defense as an interception would reflect positively on that defense, for example.
Furthermore, by your logic, the 15 failed 4th down conversions against the Ravens (compared to 11 for Tennessee) would count as forced turnovers, no? |
The % isn't close 8-21%.
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skatebeanz
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8% is historically low it seems. In 2001 the lowest 4th dn% was 24 in 2002 it was 31.
In 2000 Tennessee allowed 8%. That is incredible.
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| skatebeanz wrote: | 8% is historically low it seems. In 2001 the lowest 4th dn% was 24 in 2002 it was 31.
In 2000 Tennessee allowed 8%. That is incredible. |
Ignoring the point.
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