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Seahawks206
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| RyanFuller003 wrote: | At this point, we already know who Tarvaris Jackson is and what he brings to the table--and it's not much. There's really no point in starting him because he's a six-year veteran that just doesn't offer much in the way of upside.
Matt Flynn got paid $24 million over 3 years, and I doubt they spent that money with aims to keep him on the bench. It's pretty obvious they're paying him to be a starter, so I think unless he's really disappointing in camp, the job is his. And it should be. He's only received significant playing time in three games, but he at least offers some kind of upside, unlike Jackson. He's been up-and-down in his three games (he was awful against the Lions in 2010, but looked good against the Patriots the next week, and he murdered the Lions in week 17 last year). Personally, I think they paid him too much based on a very small sample size, and I'm not sold on him as a long-term solution, but they can't just sit him.
As for Russell Wilson, he's an experienced college quarterback, but he's not a particularly impressive physical specimen and will probably have to spend a year or two as a student before he's ready to get on the field. The Seahawks aren't an especially strong team, particularly when it comes to receiving targets, so it'd be smart of them to stash Wilson for a while until they can get some more talented receivers. |
Haha I agree with everything you said but Wilson not being impressive physically. He has long arms so he has a high release, he's more athletic than flynn, and has a stronger arm
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| klyon7634 wrote: |
we have no talent?? huh
Sidney Rice
Doug Baldwin
Ricardo Lockette
Golden Tate
Braylon Edwards
Zach Miller
Kellen Winslow
Marshawn Lynch
i would love to have all those recievers and Beast Mode to run the the ball if i was a QB. But yea your right just because your not a seahawks fan and havent heard of a few of those guys means they have no talent  |
The Seahawks were 28th in total offence last year, and from what I saw it wasn't just the QB position holding them back. They were 28th, 21st and 28th the three previous years with Matt Hasselbeck at QB.
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Seahawks206
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| milanb wrote: | | klyon7634 wrote: |
we have no talent?? huh
Sidney Rice
Doug Baldwin
Ricardo Lockette
Golden Tate
Braylon Edwards
Zach Miller
Kellen Winslow
Marshawn Lynch
i would love to have all those recievers and Beast Mode to run the the ball if i was a QB. But yea your right just because your not a seahawks fan and havent heard of a few of those guys means they have no talent |
The Seahawks were 28th in total offence last year, and from what I saw it wasn't just the QB position holding them back. They were 28th, 21st and 28th the three previous years with Matt Hasselbeck at QB. |
We didnt have Edwards, Lynch, Winslow, Miller, Rice or Baldwin when Hasselbeck was here....
Rice was hurt last season....
Edwards just joined.....
Miller was used as a blocker because of the line....
We just got winslow.....
Baldwin was an undrafted rookie that got 700+ yards in spite of TJack....
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Seahawks206 wrote: | | Rice was hurt last season.... |
Rice has been hurt EVERY season, save for his one year in Minny. Guy is about as consistent as a snot bubble.
| Quote: | | Edwards just joined..... |
Maybe I'm not seeing something, but since when has Braylon Edwards been a good player? He had flashes, but is about as inconsistent as you can get, save for one year in Cleveland.
| Quote: | | Miller was used as a blocker because of the line.... |
Fair enough.
| Quote: | | We just got winslow..... |
Fair as well, but he's another one who will need some TLC from the training staff more often than not...he's not the player he once was.
| Quote: | | Baldwin was an undrafted rookie that got 700+ yards in spite of TJack.... |
That could factor into it, but we should wait and see before crowing him as some talent to be relied on. We've seen many guys come up in their rookie seasons, and sputter into a mediocre career from that point onwards.
There is potential there, but potential is about as valuable as a half eaten ham sandwich. It could play out well, it could fail.
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| Seahawks206 wrote: | | RyanFuller003 wrote: | At this point, we already know who Tarvaris Jackson is and what he brings to the table--and it's not much. There's really no point in starting him because he's a six-year veteran that just doesn't offer much in the way of upside.
Matt Flynn got paid $24 million over 3 years, and I doubt they spent that money with aims to keep him on the bench. It's pretty obvious they're paying him to be a starter, so I think unless he's really disappointing in camp, the job is his. And it should be. He's only received significant playing time in three games, but he at least offers some kind of upside, unlike Jackson. He's been up-and-down in his three games (he was awful against the Lions in 2010, but looked good against the Patriots the next week, and he murdered the Lions in week 17 last year). Personally, I think they paid him too much based on a very small sample size, and I'm not sold on him as a long-term solution, but they can't just sit him.
As for Russell Wilson, he's an experienced college quarterback, but he's not a particularly impressive physical specimen and will probably have to spend a year or two as a student before he's ready to get on the field. The Seahawks aren't an especially strong team, particularly when it comes to receiving targets, so it'd be smart of them to stash Wilson for a while until they can get some more talented receivers. |
Haha I agree with everything you said but Wilson not being impressive physically. He has long arms so he has a high release, he's more athletic than flynn, and has a stronger arm |
You know what I mean though. It's hard enough to start a rookie right away even if they have elite tools like Stafford, Newton, Luck, or RGIII. Wilson lacks prototypical size and his arm strength is adequate, but average. He's more of an accuracy QB. That's fine--Drew Brees is in the exact same mold--but it's not a recipe for immediate success (Brees, for example, didn't have much success until his fourth year). He's a cheap contract, though, and if they happen to miss on him it's no big deal. So I think it makes more sense to start Flynn and see if he can be a credible starter.
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I see alot of seahawks fans pumping up Winslow and honestly he is a good weapaon but he's probably the worst player in the league you could have gotten to work with Flynn or Wilson as QBs just now taking over the role as starter. Winslow will complain to them for the ball alot and it's very possible they will force it to him more often because of it. He's an all about me kind of player and alot of younger guys who dont have the confidence of a vet will crimble to that and start forcing it to him like Freeman did.
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| EliteTexan80 wrote: | | Seahawks206 wrote: | | Rice was hurt last season.... |
Rice has been hurt EVERY season, save for his one year in Minny. Guy is about as consistent as a snot bubble.
| Quote: | | Edwards just joined..... |
Maybe I'm not seeing something, but since when has Braylon Edwards been a good player? He had flashes, but is about as inconsistent as you can get, save for one year in Cleveland.
| Quote: | | Miller was used as a blocker because of the line.... |
Fair enough.
| Quote: | | We just got winslow..... |
Fair as well, but he's another one who will need some TLC from the training staff more often than not...he's not the player he once was.
| Quote: | | Baldwin was an undrafted rookie that got 700+ yards in spite of TJack.... |
That could factor into it, but we should wait and see before crowing him as some talent to be relied on. We've seen many guys come up in their rookie seasons, and sputter into a mediocre career from that point onwards.
There is potential there, but potential is about as valuable as a half eaten ham sandwich. It could play out well, it could fail. |
Edwards recorded 900+ yards with MARK SANCHEZ as his QB. RESPECT
Rice added 15lbs of muscle this offseason to help with durability so we'll see. i get what you're saying though
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Seminolebuc wrote: | | I see alot of seahawks fans pumping up Winslow and honestly he is a good weapaon but he's probably the worst player in the league you could have gotten to work with Flynn or Wilson as QBs just now taking over the role as starter. Winslow will complain to them for the ball alot and it's very possible they will force it to him more often because of it. He's an all about me kind of player and alot of younger guys who dont have the confidence of a vet will crimble to that and start forcing it to him like Freeman did. |
Pete Carroll is the type of coach who could handle Winslow but yeah i get your point
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I think Flynn will be the starter Week 1. If he struggles or the team starts losing I think they will send Wilson in.
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| Seahawks206 wrote: | | Edwards recorded 900+ yards with MARK SANCHEZ as his QB. RESPECT |
...and proceeded to do nothing the following year on a 13-3 team, and sat and waited while other WRs were getting phone calls during the offseason.
He was cut from a playoff team...TWO WEEKS before the playoffs started, and with Ted Ginn Jr and Kyle Williams both nursing injuries and with Michael Crabtree as the #1 WR. It took the week before camp started for his chance to come - talented WRs don't have to sit and wait for the teams to come calling. Hell, Antonio Bryant was signed before Edwards - and Bryant hasn't played football in two years.
One season does not equal "respect" in my book, especially when it was two years ago.
| Quote: | | Rice added 15lbs of muscle this offseason to help with durability so we'll see. i get what you're saying though |
I love Sidney Rice, think he has all the skill in the world...but guy has GOT to stay healthy. The injuries he's having aren't easy ones to come back from, they are injuries that take time to heal up...and when they do heal up, they tend to linger and affect any sort of advantages he had to begin with.
I'm pulling for the guy, but to say the deck is stacked against him is an understatement.
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| FuhZee wrote: | | Josh Portis. |
do you do gb? I swear ive seen this username before haha
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| EliteTexan80 wrote: | | Seahawks206 wrote: | | Edwards recorded 900+ yards with MARK SANCHEZ as his QB. RESPECT |
...and proceeded to do nothing the following year on a 13-3 team, and sat and waited while other WRs were getting phone calls during the offseason.
He was cut from a playoff team...TWO WEEKS before the playoffs started, and with Ted Ginn Jr and Kyle Williams both nursing injuries and with Michael Crabtree as the #1 WR. It took the week before camp started for his chance to come - talented WRs don't have to sit and wait for the teams to come calling. Hell, Antonio Bryant was signed before Edwards - and Bryant hasn't played football in two years.
One season does not equal "respect" in my book, especially when it was two years ago.
| Quote: | | Rice added 15lbs of muscle this offseason to help with durability so we'll see. i get what you're saying though |
I love Sidney Rice, think he has all the skill in the world...but guy has GOT to stay healthy. The injuries he's having aren't easy ones to come back from, they are injuries that take time to heal up...and when they do heal up, they tend to linger and affect any sort of advantages he had to begin with.
I'm pulling for the guy, but to say the deck is stacked against him is an understatement. |
he had a knee injury and only started 5 games.
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| Seahawks206 wrote: | | he had a knee injury and only started 5 games. |
Still doesn't explain why teams weren't giving him a call, and he had to wait until TC was about to start to land a one-year, vet minimum deal. Unless he tore a major ligament, I don't know of any knee injury that he could of had that would make him THAT much of a liability, to the point to where nobody bothered to sign him until now.
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