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plan9misfit
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| QB Connoisseur wrote: | | Reality_Check wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: |
LSU lists Mathieu at 5'10"(probably more like 5'9"), that's not 2 to 3 inches shorter than all those guys. |
If he's actually 5'9", I suppose that is true. Though he is going to need to put some weight on. I think he's a heck of a player, certainly worth a risk. |
He's actually barely 5'8" |
Yeah, I'm 5'8 and I've stood next to him. I think I'm slightly taller...
You can't deny his playmaking ability though. I expect him to go around the mid 3rd round. |
Being a great playmaker in college with poor measurables doesn't typically translate well to the NFL. He's REALLY undersized to play CB, let alone Safety; a position typically with bigger players than CB. My guess is his NFL career will be as a situational DB and return man.
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The kids an amazing tackler, can blitz, get in the way of passes, and force turnovers. He probably won't be an amazing man up and cover this 6'3'' receiver type of DB but if you let him free lance he will make lots of plays.
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Damn really dumb decisions by him. Cost him quite a bit
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I don't think he's a "starter" but I think he'll be the best nickel in the NFL. So good as a playmaker and blitzer.
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| TM7 is simply a natural football player. In terms of a playmaker, he's one of the best I have ever seen in college. I have no doubt he will be playing on Sundays in today's NFL if he stays out of trouble. That appears to be a big if now but, given the right system, he can be a great possibly special player in the NFL. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | I don't think he's a "starter" but I think he'll be the best nickel in the NFL. So good as a playmaker and blitzer. |
I'm in the same boat. If you force him to cover tall WRs 1on1, it won't be good. But if you let him freelance his own place deep in the middle, he'll do nicely.
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His only NFL position is at Nickel CB where he can play close to the LOS, blitz, and cover shorter and quicker receivers. Nickel CB isnt a terrible thing, most teams run 3 CB defenses anyway and having an active player like Mathieu is beneficial to any defense. Though as a nickel Cb, I wouldnt expect a team to spend anything more than a mid 2nd rd pick.
If he is kicked off LSU, and has to play at a small school, maybe a 4th rd pick? |
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JaguarCrazy2832
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Are there any 5'8'' DBs that are worth a damn right now, or ever? Maybe Antoine Winnfield, but he is 5'9'' and very physical
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| vikingsrule wrote: | His only NFL position is at Nickel CB where he can play close to the LOS, blitz, and cover shorter and quicker receivers. Nickel CB isnt a terrible thing, most teams run 3 CB defenses anyway and having an active player like Mathieu is beneficial to any defense. Though as a nickel Cb, I wouldnt expect a team to spend anything more than a mid 2nd rd pick.
If he is kicked off LSU, and has to play at a small school, maybe a 4th rd pick? |
I wish I had your crystal ball.
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Isn't even on the same freakin planet as claiborne. The guy was playing on the 2nd most talented defense in the nation with 4-5 first round picks along the front 7, and 2 more at least in the same defensive backfield. He's a product of playing around massive talent. Hes awful in man. In the NC he looked like a boy out there and Bama's receivers were average at best. I strongly doubt he can fight through traffic well enough to play a Woodson type role. The fact about mathieu is his "splash plays" on defense often times come from being unblocked, or around a tipped ball.
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j-stew32
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Also, I have never heard of a 5'7 170 lb linebacker in todays NFL, "tackling ability" really isn't what makes a dominant DB lol. Everyone in the NFL can tackle. And tackling is one of the easiest things to teach. Oh, and he runs a 4.6. So to summarize: he's not big, hes not fast, he's not good in man, hes OK in zone, and he makes plays as an untouched blitzer because teams are HORRIFIED of Montgomery, Mingo and company.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | His only NFL position is at Nickel CB where he can play close to the LOS, blitz, and cover shorter and quicker receivers. Nickel CB isnt a terrible thing, most teams run 3 CB defenses anyway and having an active player like Mathieu is beneficial to any defense. Though as a nickel Cb, I wouldnt expect a team to spend anything more than a mid 2nd rd pick.
If he is kicked off LSU, and has to play at a small school, maybe a 4th rd pick? |
I wish I had your crystal ball. |
How many successful 5-8 outside CBs or Safety are there currently in the NFL. Its not hard to make a projection based on what the prototype is for success. I can only think of two 5-9 or shorter CBs who are worth a darn in Brandon Flowers and Antoine Winfield. Winfield is a nickel CB. So is Mathieu going to be a transcending player? I just cant see him holding up at Safety and he is a long shot at outside CB based on what teams usually prefer. Dont need a crystal ball to realize this  |
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He is a 3 way player who should see time as a Returner, RB/WR, and S/CB...he just doesn't have a spot, outside of safety at this time...could be a great have in the 2-3 range, which is where I had him prior and after this dismissal.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | His only NFL position is at Nickel CB where he can play close to the LOS, blitz, and cover shorter and quicker receivers. Nickel CB isnt a terrible thing, most teams run 3 CB defenses anyway and having an active player like Mathieu is beneficial to any defense. Though as a nickel Cb, I wouldnt expect a team to spend anything more than a mid 2nd rd pick.
If he is kicked off LSU, and has to play at a small school, maybe a 4th rd pick? |
I wish I had your crystal ball. |
How many successful 5-8 outside CBs or Safety are there currently in the NFL. Its not hard to make a projection based on what the prototype is for success. I can only think of two 5-9 or shorter CBs who are worth a darn in Brandon Flowers and Antoine Winfield. Winfield is a nickel CB. So is Mathieu going to be a transcending player? I just cant see him holding up at Safety and he is a long shot at outside CB based on what teams usually prefer. Dont need a crystal ball to realize this |
Bob Sanders and Jim Leonhard are two easy examples that come to mind. In fact, over the last few years, the majority of the best safeties in the NFL have been shorter than 6'0". So I'll take my chances having seen what Mathieu can do on the field that his football skill and natural ability will overcome his height deficiency. At the safety position, his height deficiency isn't even near the big deal that it is at corner.
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I'm beyond disappointed. He was the only draft prospect I really liked this year. If he's smart he'll find a smaller school and stay for his last 2 years and stay out of trouble.
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