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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dwayne Bowe has made a career off that crap. Remember those meaningless monster stats he put up against us in that one game a couple years ago? Laughing


I seem to remember Dwayne Bowe destroying Champ Bailey every time we try to play him man to man. I recall last year Bowe getting off to a hot start and then leaving the game with a neck injury.
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Would we want to bring in recently cut Eagles LB Brian Rolle for depth purposes?
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Watching the 1st half of the Bills/Patriots game I find very frustrating. The Bills main response to the Patriots passing game was to rush the front four and drop people back into coverage. When the Patriots passed, it seemed to work fine, and Brandon Lloyd was getting owned out there. The trouble is, when the Patriots ran the ball, they destroyed the Bills.

This all came down to a defense having all the right ideas, but not using the right personnel. These coaches just have a small set of sub-packages and go to those in generic situations. They should think more about matching specific personnel up against the other team's players on the field. Unless you have one heck of a talented, versatile group of defenders there's no sense in being so basic with your sub-packages where you have one for passing situations, a base defense, and one for jumbo personnel, all with no variation.

Related to this problem, too many teams give the Patriots passing offense too much respect and do not respect the running game enough. The Bills only used sub-package in the 1st half had Nick Barnett staying in at Linebacker with former Safety Bryan Scott playing the other Linebacker spot(he only plays LB in nickel situations, not an actual Linebacker another words). Chris Kelsay subs out for one-dimensional pass rusher Mark Anderson. Three cornerbacks, two Safeties.

Going this small doesn't make sense in my eyes with three receivers, Gronkowski, and a legit runner(meaning not Woodhead or Vereen) unless it's third and long. Sure, three receivers, three cornerbacks makes sense, but instead of Bryan Scott keep an actual Linebacker out there and instead of a one-dimensional pass rusher keep Chris Kelsay out there.

The Bills were even dumber though in that when the Patriots have only two receivers on the field, two tight ends(Gronk and Daniels Fells), and a running back who can run between the tackles they stuck with this sub-package and that's just asking to get the ball ran down your throat. What is the use of having a third corner out there against two receivers? Idiotic. I can understand that type of thing if Hernandez is healthy, because he does have to be treated as a receiver(personally though I still probably would not have both Bryan Scott and a third corner out there, have one or the other to defend Hernandez and then a Linebacker). Even in short distance situations the Bills stuck with these concepts. As a result the Patriots ran the ball all over them.

The Patriots only ended up with 7 points because of turnovers and two missed field goals, but they were moving the ball against the Bills despite the fact the passing game was struggling. This is what New England did to us last year. We went too small, they just merrily ran the ball on us. When the Giants played the Patriots in the Superbowl, despite Chase Blackburn being a huge coverage liability he was in on most of the plays instead of the normal nickel linebacker Jacquian Williams, and the Giants never went with 4 defensive ends or some other stupid small ball crap. They didn't give up as many cheap rushing yards another words.

The Patriots, last year and even moreso this year(which makes defensive coordinators not accounting for the run even more stupid) are perfectly happy to sustain drives by running the ball against small personnel. With Hernandez out most of the Pats versatility is gone so it should be pretty easy to match up to them personnel wise if you're coverage is so effective. Frustratingly stupid.

The Patriots defense has plenty of bizarre things too. Big Tackles Vince Wilfork and Kyle Love play in the sub-packages, still ineffective, but whatever. Brandon Spikes plays in the sub-packages and drops in coverage fairly often. Good luck with that. Why is Rob Ninkovich playing so much? He's a terrible edge run defender, he's not that good a pass rusher either, so why does he play over Cunnigham so much? Is it that important to have a better coverage player at Defensive End?

Vince Wilfork hasn't fallen down at all, had a good pass deflection that resulted in a pick, had one good rush against Cordy Glenn for naught, happened to recover a fumble, but was pretty ho-hum on the whole. I guess it wasn't until the 2nd half until he dominated.

Ryan Fitzpatrick continues to have erratic accuracy, sometimes making great throws, sometimes terrible ones. Fred Jackson made a great catch downfield. The Offensive Tackles have struggled at times, Pears moreso. CJ Spiller gets annihilated when he's left in to block.

I'm beginning to think Aaron Hernandez is the Patriots best player just for the record. On to the 2nd half where I expect to see more of the same.
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The Bills change nothing about their defensive sets through most of the second half. So the Patriots continued to run well, they also got a Gronkowski touchdown by forcing Gronk's man(Bryan Scott) to bite on play action. Buffalo also continued to rush the front four and blitz nobody all game long, with little attempts of any kind to disguise what they were doing. They tried to win through pure execution.

The best adjustments were made by New England. They got their passing game going through simple receiver distribution. Their best sets were to use trips(3 receivers to one side) on one side with Gronkowski and Branch and another player and Lloyd and Welker on the opposite. Both sides of the field had receivers(Branch and Lloyd) lined up wide and on the line of scrimmage, putting them in position to be deep threats. Buffalo as a result played two deep coverage(which in essence forced both the Bills Linebackers to play man coverage, which is not good), and both Bills Linebackers had to worry about Gronkowski and whoever the other receiver was in man coverage.

This left Wes Welker isolated against nickel corner Justin Rogers. All he had to do was fake one direction and then run either a drag or an out route, and he was open everytime. His man usually failed to tackle him as well, leading to even bigger gains. New England did this again and again and again with success.

It wasn't until the game was already decided when the Bills tried some other things, like instead of playing 2 deep bringing a Safety up to the trips side, backing the nickel corner off Welker and manuevering the Linebacker on that side closer to Welker's position(which they can do because they have a Safety now in position to man cover the other side of the field). This means one Safety is playing centerfield, making Lloyd a more dangerous a threat down the field without a Safety committed to his side. Gilmore could back off him and give up a short reception, instead he stays in a press man position. New England challenges this with a quick pass down the field, but Gilmore knocks the ball away. One wonders why Buffalo didn't try this tactic more often. I mean it shouldn't be news to anyone that if Welker is in the slot and isolated against most nickel corners with nothing but open field around him due to the lack of zones, he's going to win every time.

New England, long after it mattered, even figured out the way to attack this though. They put Brandon Lloyd on the offensive right and not the left. That left him isolated on Aaron Williams instead of Gilmore, and the Patriots scored a touchdown by sending Lloyd straight down the field.

On another play they ran out of a similar 5 wide set except both Gronkowski and Welker were lined up next to eachother in a trips set. One of Buffalo's Linebackers, Bryan Scott(the other LBer is worried about the other side of the field) is in position to cover Gronk, and Rogers for Welker. Welker goes in motion to be even closer to the offensive line. Result is Justin Rogers has to cover Gronkowski one on one, and Welker runs between Scott and the Safety, neither of which are in position to cover him(safety is too deep and far because he's worried about the deep threat on that side of the field, Scott, a Linebacker is way too far off Welker and is unprepared as well) for a big gain.

The other thing they did while the Bills were still in two deep mode essentially took advantage again of the Bills tendencies. On Gilmore's side(offensive left) they put a Running Back out wide and on the LOS. Easy for Gilmore to defend the deep ball, but the point was to create matchups elsewhere. Brandon Lloyd was now in the slot, isolated against a Linebacker(Nick Barnett). Trips on the otherside, so all the other defenders were occupied. Had the Bills recognized that it was a running back split out wide to the left, they could have brought the Safety on that side up and had him cover Lloyd.

Instead, the Safety is still playing deep, though more worried about Lloyd than the outwide running back. The play then is simple, Lloyd gets downfield past the first down mark, the running back out wide runs straight like he's going to go downfield(which Gilmore respects by turning to defend that route) and then cuts inside on a simple crossing route, open and catches the ball, no one is anywhere near the play with both the linebacker and safety on that side busy with Lloyd and the corner a step late because he had to respect the deep ball.

Buffalo didn't even need to bring up a Safety though. All they had to do was put Barnett in a zone, giving him a chance to defend inside routes, have Gilmore start pressing the back then drop into a deep zone and have the Safety cover any downfield routes with Lloyd. In this situation whether Brady tries throwing to the back or to Lloyd he's going to have to be aware of two defenders in the area. And since it would be a change-up from the man coverage they had been running, the Patriots might make a mistake and throw a ball into coverage. But no, why do that when you can give up the middle of the field to a Running Back who isn't going to get open anywhere else and have your Linebacker in man coverage against Brandon Lloyd?

In another instance out of the same set they got Gronkowski isolated against Nick Barnett, for a big gain.

By the time the Bills tried any other changes the game was long over, and they pretty much avoided blitzing or zone coverage the entire game. Awful job by Dave Wannstedt. Vanilla defense, two deep against a team who isn't good with the deep ball, no blitzing, no disguising, poor job of using personnel. Last year's defensive coordinator George Edwards was a much better coach.

I hope JDR is doing his homework, if we come out with a gameplan like this against New England we're going to lose.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given your two long analyses, how would you have us gameplan for the Pats?
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Given your two long analyses, how would you have us gameplan for the Pats?


- Have a Safety in the box to Gronkowski's side in two receiver sets when the offense lines up in a run friendly formation. That's right, bring a Safety in the box to stop the Patriots run game. In this event also occasionally use Von Miller as a threat the offense must account for kind of like when Troy Polamalu plays in the box, as a Linebacker do things like line him up right on top of the Center or have him threaten the gap between center and left guard. The Safety assumes Miller's gap responsibilities. This can cause trouble for the Patriots in the run and pass game(so long as it's a weak side situation, you don't want to do this with multiple receivers on that side because then you have to respect the screen).

- Wesley Woodyard plays everydown, Mays and Von Miller rotate with eachother(otherwise Miller is playing Defensive End), Brooking only plays in goal line situations

- Treat Woodhead as a receiver, bring in Leonhard(which would be a big dime defense with one linebacker) as an extra DB when he's out there with three or more receivers. With an extra DB we can also mix up our coverage and blitzes more.

- Have a couple of delayed blitzes with Von as a Linebacker(where Wolfe is DE) and on these occasions have Woodyard aggressively man covering Gronkowski(unless he's lined up in trips next to Welker). Keep Woodyard primarily to the side Gronkowski is on to be able to match up to him. If not, underneath zones with Miller or Mays and Safety help(or drop Vickerson into a zone and have the Safety come up earlier to meet Gronkowski, but this is prone to giving up a deep ball).

- Mix up coverage against Lloyd, but be unafraid to play off man coverage with either corner with or without Safety help if necessary. I would rather make Lloyd beat us than Welker or Gronkowski. Primarily Lloyd should attract some form of Safety help though, as Branch less of a threat.

- Rarely, if ever, play two deep coverage. Use Mike Adams in the box even on occasion and maybe even blitz him.

- Never cover Gronkowski with off coverage from a Safety unless it's third and long(and then I still would hesitate). Primarily I would like Woodyard to man cover him, preferably by pressing him a lot.

- Bannan only plays in run heavy sets or if a guy needs a rest, otherwise keep any combination of Vickerson, Unrein, or Wolfe out there at Tackle. Never play Malik Jackson at Tackle except maybe on third and long. I would maybe deactivate Ayers for this game.

- On blitzes in particular, consider using a Defensive End like Wolfe to try to bump Gronkowski and slow his release. Don't bother trying this with Welker, won't work. This is the guy you want to throw every single coverage you can think of against. Chris Harris should be on him, but Mays or someone else can be in a friendly zone that make certain routes harder to execute and give Harris a better chance. When the Patriots begin to expect that, mix things up. This is the ideal use of said player because you don't want Mays or Von Miller in man coverage against anyone.

- Although he won't press Welker, you still want your defensive end split out wide on his side when he's in the slot, aside from having pass rushing advantages, the linemen is in better position to defend the wide receiver screens NE likes running.

- More zone coverage against trips, where a Safety steps up instead of playing deep where either that Safety is playing underneath zones and the Linebacker or corner is man covering his assignment or vice versa. Don't let them play three on three in short areas, make them beat us over the top. Chris Harris is in position to defend Welker, if Welker motions, so does Harris. So long as we have a Safety over there we can still double Gronkowski if he's on that side too.

- When New England isn't in the hurry-up, have a lot of movement from the Safeties so the Patriots can't easily tell where a player is going to be located.

- Occasionally play Mike Adams deep and Moore closer to the LOS, just to give a different look

- Show zero respect to Deion Branch when he's lined up next to Champ, which will probably be often. Pure man with no help regardless of the situation. Maybe underneath help in the right situation but never help over the top. If Branch is matched against Porter I would play press coverage with help.

- I would primarily rush four, but unlike Buffalo, I would mix it up more and blitz as a surprise some of the time, and would not play only man coverage.

- I said Chris Harris should be predominately lined up over Welker, I'm not against changing this up to give the defense a different look either(in this case I would also move Woodyard to an opposite side). Particularly on third and long where you can do more things like play dime with three Safeties and three corners. It would be good to set up some zone blitzing concepts, a hypothetic one would be like when the Patriots use their pet formation of trips to the right, with Welker in the slot on left and Lloyd wide on the left, one thing you could do is bring the Safety up into the box and have him cover Welker, except Elvis Dumervil to that side drops into coverage allowing the Safety to prioritize certain routes. Woodyard moves around a bit but doesn't all out fake a blitz, at the snap he drops into a zone to defend the short middle of the field but would also be instructed to watch out for the screen to Welker. The extra Safety(Leohnard) plays centerfield.

Meanwhile on the other side, the Safety Adams starts deep but begins to creep up, though he's still far from the box, and basically will be in position to cover any of the two inside trips player. Chris Harris is probably matched up near a Running Back or Julian Edelman. It looks like 4 on 3 at the snap, Brady's more likely to look to his left because has Lloyd on Porter(much better than Branch on Champ) with no Safety help and Welker is his best man beater.

At the start of the pre-snap situation you only have two down linemen, Elvis Dumervil and let's say Kevin Vickerson(it could be Wolfe or someone else, but a big lineman), Dumervil's is lined up more to pass rush from the right and Vickerson to the left. No one near the center of the offensive line. Von Miller is lined up like a Linebacker to that side, but that's at the start. Then Von Miller comes down and gets his hands on the ground and becomes the defensive end rushing to the right, Vickerson shift more to the center. Joe Mays lines up right at the line of scrimmage between the C and LG, threatening a blitz. At the snap, as I said, Dumervil drops into coverage, Vickerson makes a hard rush inside to the right(attacks gap between C and RG), Von Miller blitzes right attacking between RT and Gronkowski(dare him to block), Mays stunts near the right shoulder of the Center, and then Chris Harris blitzes outside. Champ Bailey to that side is in man coverage. The Safety is in a man/zone concept where he picks up whoever is in certain areas, same thing with the centerfielder. Overload concept another words, rush only four but either Gronkowski stays in to block which eliminates the threat of three receivers at least for a time and still confuses the pass protectors on how to pick up everyone, or if Gronkowski goes for a pass you immediately have more men than the offense can block.

- Another words, make Lloyd and Branch beat us, not Gronkowski and Welker. I would rather play cover zero with underneath help and give up the deep ball to those guys or triple team Wes Welker than let Gronkowski catch balls 20 yards down the field or let Welker get open on short routes and have space to run.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AntiSuperstar, these analyses are great - I learned a lot from reading them.

One thing to remember - the Patriots have traditionally done very well against Jack Del Rio. Brady had one of his best games ever against a JDR defense in 2007 (26-28 in the playoffs.) We'll see if he has something new up his sleeve this time around.

I think it will be a great game though. Brady-Manning games are always close.
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Anti,

This was probably one of the best analyses I have ever read. You and lomax have been killing it this year. Thanks for the writeup, I'm gonna watch out for these formations and such now.
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New England resigned Bobby Carpenter to fill depth with Dont'a Hightower's hamstring injury. Looks like Hightower might be out this week. What impact has he made so far this year?
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Anti, when you started talking about the Bills putting in Bryan Scott and playing him as a Nickel Linebacker, bringing in Mark Anderson, and a nickel CB and the Patriots running the ball at will, my thought process was this.


Obviously our weakest pass defender is Joe Mays and it's not even a contest. Sub him out for Chris Harris usually or whatever DB they feel matches up the best and keep the rest of the personnel the same.

Derek Wolfe would still be in there to play the run. Von is better than Woodyard in pass coverage but he could also blitz from a linebacker spot.
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New England resigned Bobby Carpenter to fill depth with Dont'a Hightower's hamstring injury. Looks like Hightower might be out this week. What impact has he made so far this year?


I watched a few Pats games and he plays SLB. He blitzes every now and then but he's probably their best run defender at Linebacker. He's been pretty solid as a blitzer and much better in coverage than most have anticipated. I was stoned with rocks from everyone when I said he could be at least a decent pass defender. He matches up with TE's very well in the run game but athletic ones can have their way with him in man coverage. Sometimes used as a 3rd down rusher but nothing like we use Von.

He's been a pretty solid SLB and our offense will definitely benefit from his absence.
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AntiSuperstar wrote:
The Patriots defense has plenty of bizarre things too. Big Tackles Vince Wilfork and Kyle Love play in the sub-packages, still ineffective, but whatever. Brandon Spikes plays in the sub-packages and drops in coverage fairly often. Good luck with that. Why is Rob Ninkovich playing so much? He's a terrible edge run defender, he's not that good a pass rusher either, so why does he play over Cunnigham so much? Is it that important to have a better coverage player at Defensive End?

Vince Wilfork hasn't fallen down at all, had a good pass deflection that resulted in a pick, had one good rush against Cordy Glenn for naught, happened to recover a fumble, but was pretty ho-hum on the whole. I guess it wasn't until the 2nd half until he dominated.

Ryan Fitzpatrick continues to have erratic accuracy, sometimes making great throws, sometimes terrible ones. Fred Jackson made a great catch downfield. The Offensive Tackles have struggled at times, Pears moreso. CJ Spiller gets annihilated when he's left in to block.

I'm beginning to think Aaron Hernandez is the Patriots best player just for the record. On to the 2nd half where I expect to see more of the same.

Overall I disagree w/ your opinion on Wilfork. He's effective vs the run and occupying blockers which helps Jone's out a lot. Love is hit or miss. Either he'll be decent or bad. I'm not a fan of him at all.
As for Nink I agree there. not good on edge or disengaging (I think his short arms is part of the issue). Only explanation for Cunningham not playing is having him fresher rush the passer. he'll often kick in at UT and rush from there.
Spikes actually has decent coverage skillset. He'd be a pretty good cover LB if he wasn't extremely slow. Spikes is also inconsistent. Big hits and attacks runs either really well or disappears.
I think you overrate Hernandez. I dont see how he can be the best player on the team when he's never broken 10 TDs or 1000yrds and isnt a good blocker.
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The best adjustments were made by New England. They got their passing game going through simple receiver distribution. Their best sets were to use trips(3 receivers to one side) on one side with Gronkowski and Branch and another player and Lloyd and Welker on the opposite. Both sides of the field had receivers(Branch and Lloyd) lined up wide and on the line of scrimmage, putting them in position to be deep threats. Buffalo as a result played two deep coverage(which in essence forced both the Bills Linebackers to play man coverage, which is not good), and both Bills Linebackers had to worry about Gronkowski and whoever the other receiver was in man coverage.

Worth noting Branch was on for IIRC 27 snaps and had no targets.
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New England resigned Bobby Carpenter to fill depth with Dont'a Hightower's hamstring injury. Looks like Hightower might be out this week. What impact has he made so far this year?

NE reporter said he looked fine walking. We have no depth there either way. Though I'd rather move Ninkovich to SLB and play Cunningham at DE.
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Overall I disagree w/ your opinion on Wilfork. He's effective vs the run and occupying blockers which helps Jone's out a lot.


Uhhhh, Chandler Jones lines up fairly wide usually, sometimes from a stand-up position, sometimes with his hands on the ground. Love is usually the guy next to him and Wilfork on the other side. So it is quite impossible for Wilfork to be engaging blocks that otherwise would be on Chandler. Chandler avoids extra blockers based on how he is lined up, not based on Wilfork.

In the passing game Wilfork sucks except for the occasional knockdown, he's not a good pass rusher.

I agree he's effective vs the run I just don't think he's anywhere near dominant vs the run as described. He doesn't have the explosive ability off the snap like Brandon Mebane(the best run defender in the NFL) or Casey Hampton used to have, or even Sione Pouha can bring to the table in a lesser degree. He also doesn't have that Haloti Ngata type mobility where not only is he physical enough for linemen to struggle blocking him, but if the team runs the opposite direction, he moves so well across the line that he can still be there to make a tackle at the line of scrimmage from a run going the opposite direction of where he's lined up, that's from a Defensive End spot. There's none of that in his game. He also isn't as consistant battling through double teams and traffic as other tough Nose Tackles, like Jason Ferguson once was or Casey Hampton or guys like that. As I said he falls down fairly often.

Another words he's basically a lesser version of Sione Pouha(who I don't consider a dominant player at all) with maybe better awareness on the rare occasion he gets to knock a ball down at the line of scrimmage or read a screen pass. But people make him out to be something more than he is.

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Love is hit or miss. Either he'll be decent or bad. I'm not a fan of him at all.


He's not bad against the run, but yes, inconsistant. In the passing game he's pretty useless. I understand he wouldn't play there so much though if Deaderick was healthy.

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Spikes actually has decent coverage skillset. He'd be a pretty good cover LB if he wasn't extremely slow. Spikes is also inconsistent. Big hits and attacks runs either really well or disappears.


Spikes has decent anticipation, but like you said he doesn't have the athletic ability to cover a lot of ground in coverage.

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Worth noting Branch was on for IIRC 27 snaps and had no targets.


For understandable reasons the Patriots would rather target Lloyd. One can argue Branch had a better matchup vs Aaron Williams and the team should have given more shots instead of Lloyd, but I really don't think so because Branch isn't much of a deep threat. No reason to target Branch against Buffalo. If he's being matched against Champ Bailey often, the gameplan will probably be the same for New England against the Broncos as well. Why even bother targeting him with better matchups elsewhere?
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Patrick Turner released by the Jets. I always thought this guy was a good player. He just doesn't have a defined role, he's one of those guys in between the Tight End and Wide Receiver position like Hank Baskett or Niles Paul. He's not a Special Teams stud like those guys so it will be harder for him to get a role on teams. I think if teams would have him run more Tight End type routes he could be a productive player. Not sure if he has a place on this team but I like him.
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AntiSuperstar wrote:

Donut wrote:
Love is hit or miss. Either he'll be decent or bad. I'm not a fan of him at all.


He's not bad against the run, but yes, inconsistant. In the passing game he's pretty useless. I understand he wouldn't play there so much though if Deaderick was healthy.

IMO Deaderick is not good in 4-3. And When he has played he was more of a big LE than a UT. Honestly I'd rather see Pryor there or even Brace before Deaderick(assuming Pryor is as good as he was preinjury). Love saddly is our best UT. Though when Cunningham kicks inside it is much better.
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Worth noting Branch was on for IIRC 27 snaps and had no targets.


For understandable reasons the Patriots would rather target Lloyd. One can argue Branch had a better matchup vs Aaron Williams and the team should have given more shots instead of Lloyd, but I really don't think so because Branch isn't much of a deep threat. No reason to target Branch against Buffalo. If he's being matched against Champ Bailey often, the gameplan will probably be the same for New England against the Broncos as well. Why even bother targeting him with better matchups elsewhere?

I honestly think Branch is pretty much done I would've rather had Gaffney back. Branch is just far over the hill. Lloyd could've had 2 Ts vs Buf but he dropped 1 in the first half. I have no issue targetting Lloyd but I just dont think highly of Branch. At a certain point I probably wouldn't mind seeing if Slater could contribute more, at the very least he'd provide excellent blocking and a deep threat. But I've always liked his development and think he could be serviceable eventually.
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