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thestonedkoala
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So losing games on purpose helps develop your players?  |
How the hell do you lose games on purpose? Do you tell your team go out there and lose? That's the problem is the perception. You let your rookies grow and if they lose, they lose. But did they learn something and will they pick it up the next time? |
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SteelKing728
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| Nzd07 wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | thestonedkoala wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | coors wrote: | | The Vikes just need to save Adrian from Adrian. He's such a competitive guy, of course he doesn't want to miss a single snap and be able to be back for week 1. The Vikes are going nowhere this year, so rushing him back could cause more harm then good in the long run. I'm a huge Peterson fan, I think he is the best HB in the NFL bar none.. but I want to see him have a long, productive rest of his career. Re-injuring himself could hamper that. |
I love when people post this.
So, are we just forfeiting every game, or are the coaches just going to tell the team to not play as hard because we just can't possibly be a good team this year?
Back on topic, I could see Adrian wearing a brace for some time to start the season. I wonder how that will affect him? |
No but they have to set some realistic expectations. This team is rebuilding. It's going to have spurts where they look really good and then spurts where they look terrible.
This team should be giving the rookies and young players ALL the time in the world to develop. Tell them, wins don't matter. If you learn something, great. Wins come second to developing in this case. If Ponder throws 3 interceptions, don't yank him and throw in Rosenfels or Webb. Let him throw 2 more so he learns. |
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If your top priority isn't about winning, then why even play the damn game? |
So that you develop. Why have one winning season at the cost of the development of young players? Why have one winning season and then have 5 losing seasons? Why take away from the development and advancement of players.
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The Vikings aren't taking off Adrian Peterson so this offense can "develop some more", its because he gives us the best chance to win and everyone feels he is ready. |
Or Peterson THINKS he's ready. Peterson had two significant knee injuries last year. It's time to put the team above Peterson.
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You bring up a good point. But there will never be a team will sacrafice a win for more development. |
Than that is a terrible coach. Coaching shouldn't just be about how many wins or how many losses. It's about development as well. If wins were important, Childress would still be employed as a head coach and Mike Tice as well. But they couldn't develop talent and as such, they are regulated as coordinators.
BTW, the criticism against Frazier isn't the wins. It's the fact that this team looks mired in development hell. |
So losing games on purpose helps develop your players? |
Exactly.
you will never see a team who looks to be rebuilding and tell the starters to rest so you can bring up better backups. You don't tell a QB that he shouldn't run for a first down or a touchdown because QBs are supposed to pass, or tell a WR he's going to start an entire game just so he can get better at blocking. It just doesn't work that way.
Sometimes developments and wins go hand and hand. But to completely shut down a player because he might get hurt? That goes for everyone? If we did this, soon there isn't even an NFL anymore, because everyone is too scared to play. It just doesn't make sense.
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Let's just pray this works out for the best. It would be simply crushing seeing a player of that caliber fall off considerably as a result. I've considered AD the p4p best football player in the league for four years now. More importantly, he has the type of personality that makes you want him to take the league by storm again. And, to be honest, I think he will. As others have said, he's an absolute freak of nature.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| SteelKing728 wrote: |
Exactly.
you will never see a team who looks to be rebuilding and tell the starters to rest so you can bring up better backups. You don't tell a QB that he shouldn't run for a first down or a touchdown because QBs are supposed to pass, or tell a WR he's going to start an entire game just so he can get better at blocking. It just doesn't work that way.
Sometimes developments and wins go hand and hand. But to completely shut down a player because he might get hurt? That goes for everyone? If we did this, soon there isn't even an NFL anymore, because everyone is too scared to play. It just doesn't make sense. |
Complete overreaction to their point. You don't have a WR or QB coming off major MCL and ACL surgery 8 months ago. You don't have a WR or QB as the face of your Franchise a Player who just signed a 100 million dollar contract 8 months removed from surgery. Thats AP! You protect your most valuable asset from himself. There's not many NFL players that wouldn't come back early from an injury either to prove they can do it, fear of losing the starting position or be with his fellow teammates in hopes of helping them to victory. You have a viable back-up or "Young Player Developing" in Toby Gerhart who managed to actually produce at a high level when utilized last season for the short term. Is he AP absolutely not, no one is including AP himself "right now". I'm amazed at the amount of people clamoring for his return so early. Think past the first 5-6 weeks of the season and think long term. Would you rather have AP for the next 4-5 yrs or the for 4-5 games and never again? Because that will be the result if he shreds it again coming back to soon.
I've Stated several times over in this thread if their plan which for his sake I hope is the case is to take him off PUP, allow him to do light practicing with the team. Slowly incorporate cutting, tackling at a NFL pace and ease him into the starting role week 4/5 of the regular season, It was a smart move. If their plan is to do like most Viking fans in this thread wants which is to have him play the last pre-season game for a series or two and start gm 1, their idiots IMO. I happen to think it's the wait approach and it's rather smart by the Organization. Take care of your #1 asset while giving fans hope for a early return so they don't intentionally choose not to attend the first month of the seasons home games and ticket sales. Now most Viking fans are excited for the comeback rather then depressed he'll missed the first month. Brilliant marketing if thats indeed the case?
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SteelKing728
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| Nabbs4u wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: |
Exactly.
you will never see a team who looks to be rebuilding and tell the starters to rest so you can bring up better backups. You don't tell a QB that he shouldn't run for a first down or a touchdown because QBs are supposed to pass, or tell a WR he's going to start an entire game just so he can get better at blocking. It just doesn't work that way.
Sometimes developments and wins go hand and hand. But to completely shut down a player because he might get hurt? That goes for everyone? If we did this, soon there isn't even an NFL anymore, because everyone is too scared to play. It just doesn't make sense. |
Complete overreaction to their point. You don't have a WR or QB coming off major MCL and ACL surgery 8 months ago. You don't have a WR or QB as the face of your Franchise a Player who just signed a 100 million dollar contract 8 months removed from surgery. Thats AP! You protect your most valuable asset from himself. There's not many NFL players that wouldn't come back early from an injury either to prove they can do it, fear of losing the starting position or be with his fellow teammates in hopes of helping them to victory. You have a viable back-up or "Young Player Developing" in Toby Gerhart who managed to actually produce at a high level when utilized last season for the short term. Is he AP absolutely not, no one is including AP himself "right now". I'm amazed at the amount of people clamoring for his return so early. Think past the first 5-6 weeks of the season and think long term. Would you rather have AP for the next 4-5 yrs or the for 4-5 games and never again? Because that will be the result if he shreds it again coming back to soon.
I've Stated several times over in this thread if their plan which for his sake I hope is the case is to take him off PUP, allow him to do light practicing with the team. Slowly incorporate cutting, tackling at a NFL pace and ease him into the starting role week 4/5 of the regular season, It was a smart move. If their plan is to do like most Viking fans in this thread wants which is to have him play the last pre-season game for a series or two and start gm 1, their idiots IMO. I happen to think it's the wait approach and it's rather smart by the Organization. Take care of your #1 asset while giving fans hope for a early return so they don't intentionally choose not to attend the first month of the seasons home games and ticket sales. Now most Viking fans are excited for the comeback rather then depressed he'll missed the first month. Brilliant marketing if thats indeed the case? |
I was talking about shutting him down for the year. While that may seem extreme, some people (I think for the most part, not on this site?) say Adrian needs to sit out for a long time.
But really, I think he starts week 1 doing 50/50 with Toby Gerhart. THAT, doesn't seem to harsh, and we aren't rushing him so much. I don't see why for the first 3-4 weeks, he takes 10 carries instead of like 5, as you may have been suggesting.
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