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GeneralDissaray
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| TheGame316 wrote: | That kid has a 1 pre season game resume
Congrats, He didn't F up in a tense high pressure pre season game.... Sign that guy to a 15 year deal, sounds like we're all set.... Canton, you can start stitching the Jacket now
On second thought, I'll take LP's resume of 5,6,8 or whatever years because in all that time I've NEVER HAD to hear his name mentioned because he's been the guy to F up.... |
It's about time someone said it. My guess is since it is a contract year for L.P., they brought this kid in to try to bring down the price or re-signing him. Let him know he's replaceable. |
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textaz03
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Long live the great LP!!!!!! There is no other clear choice! Untested rookie that will save just a few hundred thousand over a highly respected Vet who is flawless and could go on for many more years?? It's a no brainier!! LP all the way!!!
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Ladouceur, and it isn't even close. You don't dump an established veteran in his prime who never makes mistakes for a rookie solely due to the salary cap. LP's contract is a speck on the cap, and his ability to perform is invaluable. Why would you change that? It's not as if his contract is too much to swallow, nor is he too old, nor are his performances poor. He's exactly what you want in a player and at a very reasonable price point. Dumping him for an inexperienced rookie for the sole sake of "cap savings" (which is a joke considering he makes the veteran minimum) is following the same behavior as the government: fix it until it's broken. Why would you want to do that?
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MaddHatter
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LP all the way. Has never missed a snap according to ESPN and isnt eeven in the top 20 of his position in salary.
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| Desperado Dan wrote: | L.P.
Peace of mind is worth $500,000. |
DD nailed it.
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McNabbMcFadden
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Really? It's not the off-season anymore? There's really a thread for this?
Anyways. You guys will never have a better long snapper than the Legend, Jon Dorenbos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUXyGIY-Sag |
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | Ladouceur, and it isn't even close. You don't dump an established veteran in his prime who never makes mistakes for a rookie solely due to the salary cap. LP's contract is a speck on the cap, and his ability to perform is invaluable. Why would you change that? It's not as if his contract is too much to swallow, nor is he too old, nor are his performances poor. He's exactly what you want in a player and at a very reasonable price point. Dumping him for an inexperienced rookie for the sole sake of "cap savings" (which is a joke considering he makes the veteran minimum) is following the same behavior as the government: fix it until it's broken. Why would you want to do that? |
Nor should it be simply because of the salary cap. With this being potentially L.P.'s last year, I applaud the organization for bringing in competition and turning over any stone to see what would happen.
At the start of the off-season I would not have believed it rational choice. But if they are both playing (and practicing) at about the same level, then why not opt to err with youth with a higher ceiling?
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Here's a question to consider (that I don't know the answer to.) Long snapping is not a particularly strenuous activity. Could L.P. conceivably get another long (and logical) contract because he won't suffer any reduction in ability due to old age?
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| Desperado Dan wrote: | | Here's a question to consider (that I don't know the answer to.) Long snapping is not a particularly strenuous activity. Could L.P. conceivably get another long (and logical) contract because he won't suffer any reduction in ability due to old age? |
Finally!
I have been hoping to have a debate where honest questions are asked. Not some of the crap that has been posted.
That is an excellent question. He is 31, which is not old by any stretch. It's then a question of how long he can continue playing at a high level. In theory? He can play easy for another 9 years and be just fine. Or, given the size and the new size of opposing players will he get warn out quicker?
It's a fair question - and one I don't have the answer to. But I would like to see the position addressed before it becomes an issue. Be it now, or a few years down the road.
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | | Here's a question to consider (that I don't know the answer to.) Long snapping is not a particularly strenuous activity. Could L.P. conceivably get another long (and logical) contract because he won't suffer any reduction in ability due to old age? |
Finally!
I have been hoping to have a debate where honest questions are asked. Not some of the crap that has been posted.
That is an excellent question. He is 31, which is not old by any stretch. It's then a question of how long he can continue playing at a high level. In theory? He can play easy for another 9 years and be just fine. Or, given the size and the new size of opposing players will he get warn out quicker?
It's a fair question - and one I don't have the answer to. But I would like to see the position addressed before it becomes an issue. Be it now, or a few years down the road. |
| Ace5, back on pg 1, wrote: |
Also, why do you care what age LP is? If he has to be the one to tackle, that means both gunners failed along with at least two-three other players given Joe D's base coverage. He's never the first down there anyway, as he stays to prevent stunts up the middle to block the punt. Age has no factor to me. LP can play for another ten years if he wants. |
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Texas_OutLaw7
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Oh, no, Ace you are one of the few who have made this a debate. 
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TheGame316
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | Ladouceur, and it isn't even close. You don't dump an established veteran in his prime who never makes mistakes for a rookie solely due to the salary cap. LP's contract is a speck on the cap, and his ability to perform is invaluable. Why would you change that? It's not as if his contract is too much to swallow, nor is he too old, nor are his performances poor. He's exactly what you want in a player and at a very reasonable price point. Dumping him for an inexperienced rookie for the sole sake of "cap savings" (which is a joke considering he makes the veteran minimum) is following the same behavior as the government: fix it until it's broken. Why would you want to do that? |
Nor should it be simply because of the salary cap. With this being potentially L.P.'s last year, I applaud the organization for bringing in competition and turning over any stone to see what would happen.
At the start of the off-season I would not have believed it rational choice. But if they are both playing (and practicing) at about the same level, then why not opt to err with youth with a higher ceiling? |
What exactly constitutes a higher ceiling for this rookie?
LP already IS the ceiling..... |
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| TheGame316 wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | Ladouceur, and it isn't even close. You don't dump an established veteran in his prime who never makes mistakes for a rookie solely due to the salary cap. LP's contract is a speck on the cap, and his ability to perform is invaluable. Why would you change that? It's not as if his contract is too much to swallow, nor is he too old, nor are his performances poor. He's exactly what you want in a player and at a very reasonable price point. Dumping him for an inexperienced rookie for the sole sake of "cap savings" (which is a joke considering he makes the veteran minimum) is following the same behavior as the government: fix it until it's broken. Why would you want to do that? |
Nor should it be simply because of the salary cap. With this being potentially L.P.'s last year, I applaud the organization for bringing in competition and turning over any stone to see what would happen.
At the start of the off-season I would not have believed it rational choice. But if they are both playing (and practicing) at about the same level, then why not opt to err with youth with a higher ceiling? |
What exactly constitutes a higher ceiling for this rookie?
LP already IS the ceiling..... |
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GeneralDissaray
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | Ladouceur, and it isn't even close. You don't dump an established veteran in his prime who never makes mistakes for a rookie solely due to the salary cap. LP's contract is a speck on the cap, and his ability to perform is invaluable. Why would you change that? It's not as if his contract is too much to swallow, nor is he too old, nor are his performances poor. He's exactly what you want in a player and at a very reasonable price point. Dumping him for an inexperienced rookie for the sole sake of "cap savings" (which is a joke considering he makes the veteran minimum) is following the same behavior as the government: fix it until it's broken. Why would you want to do that? |
Nor should it be simply because of the salary cap. With this being potentially L.P.'s last year, I applaud the organization for bringing in competition and turning over any stone to see what would happen.
At the start of the off-season I would not have believed it rational choice. But if they are both playing (and practicing) at about the same level, then why not opt to err with youth with a higher ceiling? |
How can they be at the same level, when the 'other' guy hasn't played in a real game? Would you be willing to dump Romo, because a rookie looked good in the preseason? If any team should understand the value of a good long snapper, it should be Dallas. We have a hard time with the shotgun, but have zero problems with punt snaps. There's some more "crap" for you Outlaw. You are the most intelligent poster ever. |
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