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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
Sacks are much worse than holds. For one the QB doesn't get hit and there's no fumble threat. As Younggun alluded to you get to replay the down. Now, if you're holding and it wouldn't have resulted in a sack is where it gets tricky. Bottom line is I'd give a whole heckuva lot for Russell Okung.


Again though, that's only in some cases. For instance, I count 11 sacks for us this season that lost 5 yards or less. The down in theory is nice but 3rd and 20, that's easy as heck to defend defensively.

I'll pass personally. Lots of better tackles who would cost a lot less. This year for instance, we can get a guy like Matthews or Lewan in round 1 who isn't any different and it only costs us 1 pick, not 2-3.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

younggun1273 wrote:
How they address the QB situation is going to be huge for this team. The last thing I want to see is this team signing some team's castoff QB and try to sell us on him being a winner for us. It is going to be hard to support this team if they are going to try to tell me that Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mike Vick or Alex Smith is the answer at QB.


Kurt Warner was once a castoff QB that signed with the Cardinals, just saying

I know Kurt is a borderline HOFer, but just because a player doesn't work out for one team doesnt mean he can't pan out in another location

Now ALex Smith is different becasue that's the most ideal situation for any QB with that loaded cast and Oline to boot.

But with Vick, he could have a chance to return to his 2010 form with a revamped Oline, coaching staff, and something to prove.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warner is the exception to the rule.

At this point, Vick is the most intriguing FA option. He can't stay healthy though and that is an issue. I would rather have him over Fitzpatrick or Alex Smith if the price is right.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-----Potter----Colledge---- B Jones---Warmack-----Massie
-----(Levi)--(Kelemete)--(Sendlein)--(Kelemete)---(Levi)--

- Restructure Lyle & Levi
- Draft Warmack #1
- Trade up for Barrett Jones
- Tell Snyder to get lost
- Keep Kolb or trade for Palmer or sign Vick
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
-----Potter----Colledge---- B Jones---Warmack-----Massie
-----(Levi)--(Kelemete)--(Sendlein)--(Kelemete)---(Levi)--

- Restructure Lyle & Levi
- Draft Warmack #1
- Trade up for Barrett Jones
- Tell Snyder to get lost
- Keep Kolb or trade for Palmer or sign Vick


I approve of this plan, except for the trading up and the little print
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serious question that needs to be asked...

We know that Levi Brown has an advantage in the run game, but is Nate Potter a better overall pass protector than Brown?

I think he might be. Which begs this question....

Is Nate Potter making a case for himself as our starting LT next year?

That would free up draft picks for interior oline help.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnnyV wrote:
Serious question that needs to be asked...

We know that Levi Brown has an advantage in the run game, but is Nate Potter a better overall pass protector than Brown?

I think he might be. Which begs this question....

Is Nate Potter making a case for himself as our starting LT next year?

That would free up draft picks for interior oline help.


Bolded: Really depends on who we bring on as the head coach and what his plan is. If we're gonna try and really commit to the run game, no. If we're gonna be a vertical pass team, yes.

Potter's run game play has really disappointed me and that's tough beings as that was his weak spot coming in.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
JohnnyV wrote:
Serious question that needs to be asked...

We know that Levi Brown has an advantage in the run game, but is Nate Potter a better overall pass protector than Brown?

I think he might be. Which begs this question....

Is Nate Potter making a case for himself as our starting LT next year?

That would free up draft picks for interior oline help.


Bolded: Really depends on who we bring on as the head coach and what his plan is. If we're gonna try and really commit to the run game, no. If we're gonna be a vertical pass team, yes.

Potter's run game play has really disappointed me and that's tough beings as that was his weak spot coming in.


It's a passing league and if he can be solid/good in pass pro while being cheap and productive...take it.

Upgrade the interior and get a nice blocking TE next to him and you have something.
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JohnnyV wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
JohnnyV wrote:
Serious question that needs to be asked...

We know that Levi Brown has an advantage in the run game, but is Nate Potter a better overall pass protector than Brown?

I think he might be. Which begs this question....

Is Nate Potter making a case for himself as our starting LT next year?

That would free up draft picks for interior oline help.


Bolded: Really depends on who we bring on as the head coach and what his plan is. If we're gonna try and really commit to the run game, no. If we're gonna be a vertical pass team, yes.

Potter's run game play has really disappointed me and that's tough beings as that was his weak spot coming in.


It's a passing league and if he can be solid/good in pass pro while being cheap and productive...take it.

Upgrade the interior and get a nice blocking TE next to him and you have something.


Bolded: I guess. Houston, San Francisco, Seattle, Minnesota are all headed to the playoffs right now and they all run their offenses through their running game and defense. So...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
JohnnyV wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
JohnnyV wrote:
Serious question that needs to be asked...

We know that Levi Brown has an advantage in the run game, but is Nate Potter a better overall pass protector than Brown?

I think he might be. Which begs this question....

Is Nate Potter making a case for himself as our starting LT next year?

That would free up draft picks for interior oline help.


Bolded: Really depends on who we bring on as the head coach and what his plan is. If we're gonna try and really commit to the run game, no. If we're gonna be a vertical pass team, yes.

Potter's run game play has really disappointed me and that's tough beings as that was his weak spot coming in.


It's a passing league and if he can be solid/good in pass pro while being cheap and productive...take it.

Upgrade the interior and get a nice blocking TE next to him and you have something.


Bolded: I guess. Houston, San Francisco, Seattle, Minnesota are all headed to the playoffs right now and they all run their offenses through their running game and defense. So...


You gotta think he'll only get better with a full offseason of weight training etc.

If he can be OK in the run game and a plus pass pro...he's our LT.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnnyV wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
JohnnyV wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
JohnnyV wrote:
Serious question that needs to be asked...

We know that Levi Brown has an advantage in the run game, but is Nate Potter a better overall pass protector than Brown?

I think he might be. Which begs this question....

Is Nate Potter making a case for himself as our starting LT next year?

That would free up draft picks for interior oline help.


Bolded: Really depends on who we bring on as the head coach and what his plan is. If we're gonna try and really commit to the run game, no. If we're gonna be a vertical pass team, yes.

Potter's run game play has really disappointed me and that's tough beings as that was his weak spot coming in.


It's a passing league and if he can be solid/good in pass pro while being cheap and productive...take it.

Upgrade the interior and get a nice blocking TE next to him and you have something.


Bolded: I guess. Houston, San Francisco, Seattle, Minnesota are all headed to the playoffs right now and they all run their offenses through their running game and defense. So...


You gotta think he'll only get better with a full offseason of weight training etc.

If he can be OK in the run game and a plus pass pro...he's our LT.


No. Not if we're a running team.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No point having a great run blocking LT who cannot protect the QB when he drops back.

If he can do one thing well, i can live with him being average at the other.

God knows we havent had much success lately there.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No point having a great run blocking LT who cannot protect the QB when he drops back.


And if you're a run first team, vice versa.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agreed.

We just need good football players and lots of them.
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DJ_Fka wrote:
agreed.

We just need good football players and lots of them.


Exactly. We shouldn't be aiming for a guy who's a solid pass blocker but a down run blocker or vice versa. We should be aiming for a guy who's solid in both aspects of the position.
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