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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2nd rounder.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goldfishwars wrote:
2nd rounder.


On film, yes. But with his measurable's he'll go higher than he should. NFL teams love prospects with raw tools that they can develop, especially with quarterbacks.

When he shows up at the combine at 6'5" 230, runs in the low 4.5's, shows his arm strength, and preforms well in the interview process, I have a hard time seeing no one take a shot on him in at least the late first round.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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goldfishwars wrote:
2nd rounder.


On film, yes. But with his measurable's he'll go higher than he should. When NFL teams love prospects with raw tools that they can develop, especially with quarterbacks.

When he shows up at the combine at 6'5" 230, runs in the low 4.5's, shows his arm strength, and preforms well in the interview process, I have a hard time seeing no one take a shot on him in at least the late first round.


Seems like a Chan Gailey type of Quarterback.
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Bo_Spice wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
2nd rounder.


On film, yes. But with his measurable's he'll go higher than he should. When NFL teams love prospects with raw tools that they can develop, especially with quarterbacks.

When he shows up at the combine at 6'5" 230, runs in the low 4.5's, shows his arm strength, and preforms well in the interview process, I have a hard time seeing no one take a shot on him in at least the late first round.


Seems like a Chan Gailey type of Quarterback.


I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see a team like Buffalo or Dallas move back into the late first round to snag him.

I have a weird feeling that the Cowboys might trade up for Matt Barkley or Geno Smith, just a gut feeling though.
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Seems like a great prospect...I like how he responded this year...lots of room for improvement..but he could be a really good nfl qb
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I think he'll be a late first round pick and then develop into a Jason Campbell type of quarterback with more upside.
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He has all the tools, and from time to time looks like the best quarterback prospect in the country. He's looked great in the two minute drill Does anyone else think he could sneak into the first round. He has the size, arm strength, and at times accuracy, along with rushing ability to be a top tier quarterback in the NFL. I'd probably peg him as an early second round quarterback with the potential to be the Brandon Weeden / Jason Campbell type who sneaks into the first round, and this year unlike almost every other, I'd say it would be worth taking a stud prospect in round 1 and coming back in round 2 and taking Manuel.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a team drafts him in hopes of getting a starter, I feel bad for that team.
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He's still too inconsistent with his deep throws and takes a bajillion unnecessary sacks.
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He's still too inconsistent with his deep throws and takes a bajillion unnecessary sacks.


Oh so we will trade up into the top-10 to take him to replace Blaine Gabbert, awesome.
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He's still too inconsistent with his deep throws and takes a bajillion unnecessary sacks.


Oh so we will trade up into the top-10 to take him to replace Blaine Gabbert, awesome.


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I am not a fan. Unlike Boyd, Manuel's impressive bowl performance came against a clearly inferior opponent. I don't think he is an NFL QB. 3rd or 4th round prospect at best.
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His maturity really impresses me. I think this is a weak QB class, but in that group I'd have Manuel #3 at this point behind the top two of Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. He's athletic, intelligent, CAN make all of the throws, and has the ability to get more polished.

To me, Manuel is one of the more coachable prospects in this class, can play in almost any offensive system, and has his best days ahead of him. I wouldn't pick him too early, but I'd feel comfortable spending a Day 2 pick on him and trying to help him develop.
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To me, Manuel is one of the more coachable prospects in this class, can play in almost any offensive system, and has his best days ahead of him. I wouldn't pick him too early, but I'd feel comfortable spending a Day 2 pick on him and trying to help him develop.


It's one of the reasons in which I asked about him; While I still have some support for Texans QB Matt Schaub, the last month has really made me question whether or not he is the QB who can take the Texans to that upper-level that we were all hoping for as this season moved on. Maybe I'm pessimistic (no, I AM pessimistic) but the last few weeks, along with a few other instances tells me that he might not be the guy.

I think the Texans will be in the market for a QB, a lowly valued guy who has tools, but didn't put it together, someone who is coachable and might have a very deep floor, but also has a fairly high ceiling. Manuel in the late 3rd might make some sense, someone that Gary Kubiak can groom and take over if Matt Schaub continues to falter. Even if Schaub snaps out of his funk and has a great postseason, it wouldn't hurt to have a "what if" player on the bench, being tutored by a QB-centric coach such as Kubiak.
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rabbisson wrote:
His maturity really impresses me. I think this is a weak QB class, but in that group I'd have Manuel #3 at this point behind the top two of Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. He's athletic, intelligent, CAN make all of the throws, and has the ability to get more polished.

To me, Manuel is one of the more coachable prospects in this class, can play in almost any offensive system, and has his best days ahead of him. I wouldn't pick him too early, but I'd feel comfortable spending a Day 2 pick on him and trying to help him develop.
That's the frustrating part. The guy has almost everything you want in a QB prospect. He's big, he's athletic, he's got a very good arm, he's extremely accurate on everything under 15 yards, he made (almost) all the line calls and audibles this season, he has a great work ethic, and he comes from a pro style offense...

...but the guy just makes boneheaded plays and his downfield accuracy is so freaking inconsistent. He'll make a perfect throw 40+ yards downfield even if there's great coverage and come back the next series and miss a wide open WR for an easy TD. You really question if he can get much better or eliminate those 2 problems even with more coaching. He's been in Jimbo's system for 5 seasons and had plenty of starting experience, yet the guy was making true freshman mistakes against Florida and NC State.

He worries me. After the Clemson game I (and all of Tomahawk Nation) had huge expectations for him, but he let me down. I'd take him in the late 2nd-3rd because he does have every attribute you want in a QB, but you have to eliminate those 2 problems or he'll never make it as a starter.
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