| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Phire
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 39194
Location: #championchip 2012 HoF
|
 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
|
Still don't see anything in those statistics that breaks down how they were calculated.
Though, the absence of some of the better cornerbacks on the list, including Sean Jones and Richard Sherman is not only confusing but makes the list a bit suspicious.
_________________
 | theuntouchable wrote: | | Think about this phire. I am the real chow. |
| stevec0008 wrote: | | I read all the time, and laugh, a lot. Mostly at oland. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Phire
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 39194
Location: #championchip 2012 HoF
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Nabbs4u wrote: | | Phire please watch todays NFL Live and Eric Mangini breaks the coverages down to a T. Enough said on the subject especially that game. Please watch it. |
I do not care what happened on that play schematically.
He gave up. He's bought into the current culture of this team, and being the most expensive man and "all pro" he's no doubt causing a lot of it.
_________________
| theuntouchable wrote: | | Think about this phire. I am the real chow. |
| stevec0008 wrote: | | I read all the time, and laugh, a lot. Mostly at oland. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phire
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 39194
Location: #championchip 2012 HoF
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| LOLKevinKolb wrote: | I don't even have the words to respond to this anymore.
During the MNF game I can point every tackle DeMeco misses, every snap where he only gives 90%, every poor angle he takes. If you'd like
|
Do this. I'm tired of reading your opinionated fluff.
_________________
| theuntouchable wrote: | | Think about this phire. I am the real chow. |
| stevec0008 wrote: | | I read all the time, and laugh, a lot. Mostly at oland. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
J-ALL-DAY
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 15536
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Phire wrote: | Still don't see anything in those statistics that breaks down how they were calculated.
Though, the absence of some of the better cornerbacks on the list, including Sean Jones and Richard Sherman is not only confusing but makes the list a bit suspicious. |
Sean Jones? Sherman is #36 on the list. But you wanted to know how it is calculate:
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phire
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 39194
Location: #championchip 2012 HoF
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
Meant Smith, but I see him now. Sorry, responding to 4 different people responding to the same issue in 4 different ways.
| J-ALL-DAY wrote: |
|
How does that explain anything? Those stats are obviously flawed. Are those from PFF? The one that rated Jake Scott the #1 guard and Evan Mathis the #2 or something?
_________________
| theuntouchable wrote: | | Think about this phire. I am the real chow. |
| stevec0008 wrote: | | I read all the time, and laugh, a lot. Mostly at oland. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
marky_b27
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
Posts: 17010
Location: Nottingham, England
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Phire wrote: | Meant Smith, but I see him now. Sorry, responding to 4 different people responding to the same issue in 4 different ways.
| J-ALL-DAY wrote: |
|
How does that explain anything? Those stats are obviously flawed. Are those from PFF? The one that rated Jake Scott the #1 guard and Evan Mathis the #2 or something? |
They are. You need to take PFF stats with a pinch of salt.
_________________
| oland11 on America's use of Fahrenheit wrote: | | I know. We're stupid. |
| RainbowCarebear wrote: | | Again bloody fool him Howie. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phire
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 39194
Location: #championchip 2012 HoF
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
This pretty much sums it up.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/10/3/3449570/what-to-make-of-nnamdi-asomugha
| Quote: | In many ways he is the Andre Iguodala of the Philadelphia Eagles- no matter how he plays, fans will expect more because of the money he makes. Every catch he allows will be magnified. Fair or not, that is the reality. Asomugha has not lived up to his contract and is nowhere near the shut down corner Eagles fans thought he would be when he came from Oakland. That is what fans are going to think until shown otherwise.
But the reality is that Asomugha's play has been somewhere in between. He has not been a complete disaster, but has also shown some major flaws in his game.
One thing is clear when watching the tape- Asomugha is not a great athlete, and it's killing him. In Oakland, he was successful because he was able to push the receiver off his route and force the quarterback to give up on his man. He also still had decent speed in Oakland, so he was able to run with the receivers he covered. In Philadelphia, neither of those things have been the case. |
_________________
| theuntouchable wrote: | | Think about this phire. I am the real chow. |
| stevec0008 wrote: | | I read all the time, and laugh, a lot. Mostly at oland. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phire
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 39194
Location: #championchip 2012 HoF
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| marky_b27 wrote: | | Phire wrote: | Meant Smith, but I see him now. Sorry, responding to 4 different people responding to the same issue in 4 different ways.
| J-ALL-DAY wrote: |
|
How does that explain anything? Those stats are obviously flawed. Are those from PFF? The one that rated Jake Scott the #1 guard and Evan Mathis the #2 or something? |
They are. You need to take PFF stats with a pinch of salt. |
A pinch of salt and a pint of potassium cyanide.
_________________
| theuntouchable wrote: | | Think about this phire. I am the real chow. |
| stevec0008 wrote: | | I read all the time, and laugh, a lot. Mostly at oland. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
J-ALL-DAY
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 15536
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
If you're saying PFF has flaws, I'm not going to argue that one bit. These stats account for tackles that were actually either losses or held to minimal gains. So if a carry went for 10 yards, that wouldn't count as an stop. Still, my point remains please don't act like other CBs are just SOOO great at stopping the run. Most of the CBs have their fair share of missed tackles and this was a cop out excuse.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LOLKevinKolb
Joined: 25 Jan 2011
Posts: 6872
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Phire wrote: | This pretty much sums it up.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/10/3/3449570/what-to-make-of-nnamdi-asomugha
| Quote: | In many ways he is the Andre Iguodala of the Philadelphia Eagles- no matter how he plays, fans will expect more because of the money he makes. Every catch he allows will be magnified. Fair or not, that is the reality. Asomugha has not lived up to his contract and is nowhere near the shut down corner Eagles fans thought he would be when he came from Oakland. That is what fans are going to think until shown otherwise.
But the reality is that Asomugha's play has been somewhere in between. He has not been a complete disaster, but has also shown some major flaws in his game.
One thing is clear when watching the tape- Asomugha is not a great athlete, and it's killing him. In Oakland, he was successful because he was able to push the receiver off his route and force the quarterback to give up on his man. He also still had decent speed in Oakland, so he was able to run with the receivers he covered. In Philadelphia, neither of those things have been the case. |
|
That's a great article, and a reasonable assessment that fairly criticizes Nnamdi.
You'll notice they didn't mention attitude 
_________________
| RainbowCarebear wrote: | | And use the boners for soup to survive through the winter |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phire
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 39194
Location: #championchip 2012 HoF
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| LOLKevinKolb wrote: | | Phire wrote: | This pretty much sums it up.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/10/3/3449570/what-to-make-of-nnamdi-asomugha
| Quote: | In many ways he is the Andre Iguodala of the Philadelphia Eagles- no matter how he plays, fans will expect more because of the money he makes. Every catch he allows will be magnified. Fair or not, that is the reality. Asomugha has not lived up to his contract and is nowhere near the shut down corner Eagles fans thought he would be when he came from Oakland. That is what fans are going to think until shown otherwise.
But the reality is that Asomugha's play has been somewhere in between. He has not been a complete disaster, but has also shown some major flaws in his game.
One thing is clear when watching the tape- Asomugha is not a great athlete, and it's killing him. In Oakland, he was successful because he was able to push the receiver off his route and force the quarterback to give up on his man. He also still had decent speed in Oakland, so he was able to run with the receivers he covered. In Philadelphia, neither of those things have been the case. |
|
That's a great article, and a reasonable assessment that fairly criticizes Nnamdi.
You'll notice they didn't mention attitude |
Was written a month and a half before his efforts the last 3 weeks.
_________________
| theuntouchable wrote: | | Think about this phire. I am the real chow. |
| stevec0008 wrote: | | I read all the time, and laugh, a lot. Mostly at oland. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
J-ALL-DAY
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 15536
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
That article is old but brings up pretty good arguments. However, there is no way Barden is out running him. The Hixon play was pathetic in what happened but he should have brought up the play to Jacoby Jones. Obviously he wrote it earlier, but you can bring up Julio Jones now as well.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Nabbs4u
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Posts: 19185
Location: Carolina Kiltman on the Sig
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Phire wrote: | | Nabbs4u wrote: | | Phire please watch todays NFL Live and Eric Mangini breaks the coverages down to a T. Enough said on the subject especially that game. Please watch it. |
I do not care what happened on that play schematically.
He gave up. He's bought into the current culture of this team, and being the most expensive man and "all pro" he's no doubt causing a lot of it. |
If you watch it you would understand what you just said makes no sense. Mangini has no reason to cover for Nnamdi. You were the one who decided to make a frame by frame description of a play that was false. By the time Nnamdi realized not only did Allen screw up but so did DRC in his responsibility it was too late and Robinson was easily 15 yds away from him. Aso did sprint after Robinson but when it was blatantly obvious the ball was going to be caught and he was still 15 yds away WTF do you expect him to do? Now your just digging in your heels for no other reason then to coincide with your desire to have him gone.
_________________
Bird Watch: LeSean McCoy
GM. 12^ Att. 200^ Avg. 4.2^ Rush yds 840^ TD 2}{Rec 54^ Rec yds 373^ TD 3 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
J-ALL-DAY
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 15536
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
Mangini broke the play down? Link?
Also, Nnamdi could not see the QB, so when Allen bites, he looks back thinking it was a run as well. You could have any CB in the history out there, but they weren't going to be able to make a play on that play. You let a WR run free to the middle of the field and you are looking the other way? Good luck with that...........................
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BirdsFan06050
Joined: 02 Jan 2007
Posts: 18083
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Nabbs4u wrote: | So now it's his tackling that is the major problem? Phire wasn't this also an issue with Asante and Lito yet you would rather go back to CB's like that? Deion was horrible at tackling and avoided it like the plague but it still doesn't negate the fact he is one of the best CB of all time. It's funny how before the season everybody jumped on the Todd Bowles bandwagon because he would bring a Press Man system to the secondary do to the strenghts of Aso/DRC. Hence why a Scrub like Asante was let go.  Here we are in week 12 of the 2012 season with our 2nd Incompetent DC calling the exact opposite in coverages. Aso was never brought to Philadelphia because of his tackling prowless but his superb Coverage skills. It is not his fault Juan and now Todd are so stupid they don't realize how to use his CB's in general the right way with inferior Safety play on the field. This is the monumental difference between them and Jim Johnson. No way on this planet with or without a HOF Safety covering over the top for an entire decade JJ would ever "not play" Nnamdi to his strengths as he did with Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Lito Sheppard, Sheldon Brown. |
Amen. 
Personally, I hope both of our CB's are back next season. They are far from this team's problem, and perhaps they'll be utilized properly with a competent DC.
_________________
    |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
