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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giantsfan80 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4bNA8QLmnc&feature=youtube_gdata_player


You keep going back to literally two games against one team. Don't you have anything else to knock him other than that he struggled against Syracuse?

By the way, I remember the first game, the wind was whipping and Nassib played a terrible game as well. Syracuse blitzed constantly and took advantage of West Virginia's terrible offensive line.

Those games happened a year and two years ago respectively. What do they have to do with analyzing his game, now?
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I just find the video humorous. And do treasure those meltdowns.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's still going to go at least 25 picks ahead of Nassib if not double that.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He's still going to go at least 25 picks ahead of Nassib if not double that.


I really dont care.
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24 passes with none of them hitting the ground. That's awesome Laughing

(his one incompletion was intercepted)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sciz wrote:
24 passes with none of them hitting the ground. That's awesome Laughing

(his one incompletion was intercepted)


Finished the regular season with 40 TDs to 6 INTs, 4004 yards, a 71% completions and a 164 rating.
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Sciz wrote:
24 passes with none of them hitting the ground. That's awesome Laughing

(his one incompletion was intercepted)


And the one incomplete pass that was picked was really on the receiver for not coming back to the football

That was about as clean a game as a QB could have.

The one challenge for Geno Smith will be shedding the Graham Harrell label because that's the other Big 12 QB that was in the system with Dana Holgorsen. But from a physical tools standpoint, Geno Smith should have no problem shedding that label seeing how he can make every throw on the football field.

And even though Harrell put up gaudy number again, the ridiculous thing about Geno Smith is not only the TDs but the low number of INTs right now

Again the guy has a chance to finish with a 7/1 TD/INT ratio

The only other QB who came close to that with as many TDs was Sam Bradford the year he won the Heisman.

And although Bradford has had his struggles in the league, RGIII should help Geno Smith in terms of breaking the trend of Big 12 Qbs not translating in recent years to the league
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BBIB wrote:
Sciz wrote:
24 passes with none of them hitting the ground. That's awesome Laughing

(his one incompletion was intercepted)


And the one incomplete pass that was picked was really on the receiver for not coming back to the football

That was about as clean a game as a QB could have.

The one challenge for Geno Smith will be shedding the Graham Harrell label because that's the other Big 12 QB that was in the system with Dana Holgorsen. But from a physical tools standpoint, Geno Smith should have no problem shedding that label seeing how he can make every throw on the football field.

And even though Harrell put up gaudy number again, the ridiculous thing about Geno Smith is not only the TDs but the low number of INTs right now

Again the guy has a chance to finish with a 7/1 TD/INT ratio

The only other QB who came close to that with as many TDs was Sam Bradford the year he won the Heisman.

And although Bradford has had his struggles in the league, RGIII should help Geno Smith in terms of breaking the trend of Big 12 Qbs not translating in recent years to the league


Brandon Weeden spent 2010 in Holgorsen's system.

Frankly, Geno's throwing ability is not at all an issue. He's shown the ability to make some amazing throws into tight windows. My bigger issue with him is that he doesn't maneuver the pocket well at this stage and is too stationary. Also doesn't feel the rush as well as he should.
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jrry32 wrote:


Brandon Weeden spent 2010 in Holgorsen's system.

Frankly, Geno's throwing ability is not at all an issue. He's shown the ability to make some amazing throws into tight windows. My bigger issue with him is that he doesn't maneuver the pocket well at this stage and is too stationary. Also doesn't feel the rush as well as he should.


Well that's why I think whatever team drafts Geno Smith should bring in a veteran QB so Geno can sit for a year

I don't think he's ready to start from day one. Or if he does it better be on a team that relies heavily on the running game.

Then again most of these rookies in recent years have had the running game component to help them out.

And unfortunately for Geno with the trend of rookie success recently he may not be granted that opportunity to sit[/u]
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I hope whoever picks him up also grabs Stedman, I always like getting to see old buddies play together.
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BBIB wrote:
jrry32 wrote:


Brandon Weeden spent 2010 in Holgorsen's system.

Frankly, Geno's throwing ability is not at all an issue. He's shown the ability to make some amazing throws into tight windows. My bigger issue with him is that he doesn't maneuver the pocket well at this stage and is too stationary. Also doesn't feel the rush as well as he should.


Well that's why I think whatever team drafts Geno Smith should bring in a veteran QB so Geno can sit for a year

I don't think he's ready to start from day one. Or if he does it better be on a team that relies heavily on the running game.

Then again most of these rookies in recent years have had the running game component to help them out.

And unfortunately for Geno with the trend of rookie success recently he may not be granted that opportunity to sit[/u]


Disagree. Want to fix that problem, it's trial by fire. Sam Bradford had the same issue and with good coaching and experience, he's really improved immensely this year in that regard.
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I agree with jrry32 on that. Everything I've heard about him locally suggests that he's a quick learner when it comes to fixing mechanics and the flaws in his game, it's just really unlikely that he's gotten any coaching about that sort of stuff while at WVU.
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Bobikus wrote:
I agree with jrry32 on that. Everything I've heard about him locally suggests that he's a quick learner when it comes to fixing mechanics and the flaws in his game, it's just really unlikely that he's gotten any coaching about that sort of stuff while at WVU.


Yep. I mean I've seen Geno make some window throws at WVU that were just unbelievable. He's definitely not afraid to put the ball in there. That will get him picked off more in the NFL but as he keeps refining his game and overall mechanics(especially footwork), he'll definitely have the ball placement to do great things.

So it'll just be if he can mentally handle things. Can he process things quickly enough? Can he read NFL defenses? But every QB prospect has those questions. As well as the obvious questions with his pocket presence.
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Those goal line fade passes he threw to Stedman all season are what makes me the most optimistic about him. Not the throw itself, but that a year ago he couldn't make that throw to save his life, and worked a lot on his touch on deep routes and those fade throws a lot last offseason. I know it's cliche to call someone a student of the game of film junkie, but I see Geno around campus fairly frequently, and when he's not practicing he is pretty much always looking at this tablet watching film of his last game or his next opponent' s defense. He's definitely a guy that understands that being a QB is largely about mental preparation and he can't just try to rely on physical talent.

It's impossible to predict for certain how well a person can make the shift to the speed of the game at an NFL level, but if Geno struggles, it certainly won't be from lack of effort.
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Geno Smith vs Oklahoma (2012)

Does not lead receiver enough almost leads to interception.
Stares down target and is picked off.
Shows good zip on out route, throws it on a line.
Good Ball Placement allows receiver to get YAC.
Throws high and inside on comeback route
Throws off backfoot and misses comeback route
Shows tremendous ball placement to beat man coverage
Rushes throw and throws it far too high.
Runs backwards to avoid sack, not going to fly in the NFL, later makes smart choice to throw ball away.
Throws two great deep ball, one off back foot, but great trajectory and perfect ball placement
Floats throw from opposite hash, throws it inside and without velocity, knocked up and then picked off.
Deep ball too far inside
Shows ability to throw on run, squares shoulder and throws accurately with good zip.
Drops back, reads whole field on multiple progressions, evades sack and turns it into 5 yards on the ground.
Leaves deep fade too far inside, should have been intercepted.
Makes amazing throw from own endzone, stands tall in pocket, takes a hit and delivers a perfect throw to beat bracket coverage.
Turns an unblocked blitz into big yards on the ground. Has a lot of running ability.
Perfect placement on out route on 2 point conversion.
Great ball placement on a back corner fade from the opposite hash.
Another great deep ball for a TD, is thrown off his back foot due to pressure.
Evades sack and has presense of mind to get out of bounds to stop the clock, looks like a good runner.


Geno Smith vs Iowa State 2012

First pass of game, has big play that he overthrows just a bit. However shows off his arm, just a flick of the wrist and the ball pops out of his hand. Spins a nice football.
Makes multiple reads, stays in pocket that is collapsing, looks comfortable. Takes off and gets good yards with his legs.
Throws a terrible ball on a WR screen, might have slipped out.
Stands tall in pocket fires a rocket across the middle that is dropped
Making a lot of quick hitter, one read short throws today. (Slants, screens, outs)
Leaves throw too far inside on a deep cross and allows ball to be knocked away. That is an interception on Sundays.
Makes good full field reads, starts left and then throws across the field on the 10 yard out route from the opposite hash into a stiff wind. No questions over the arm with Geno.
Drops the ball in perfectly over two defenders on a corner route. Tremendous throw.

Geno Smith vs Kansas State 2012

Stands in the pocket and throws a rocket on a inside breaking route against man coverage before the safety can clamp down. Nice throw.
Holding the ball too low in the pocket. Does not feel the pressure and allows the ball to be knock out of his hands.
Makes nice left to right read and then throws a strike to his receiver who drops it.
Throws on the money against man coverage on an inside breaking route to Austin.
Shows willingness to stay in the pocket as long as possible to make something happen, and can still make a play with his legs if needed.
Stands tall and is willing to take a hit to get the throw off.
Stares down one side of the field and then takes checkdown on 3rd down.
Throws behind his receiver down the seam, might have had his arm hit during follow through.
Does not see underneath defender on an outside route. Tipped up and intercepted. Was enough mustard on the ball and not placed terribly, just missed the underneath defender.
Makes an accurate throw to the backside while on the move. Not mechanically sound, but got the job done.
Squeezes the ball into a tight window between defenders. Nice stick throw, plenty of zip on the football.
Throws a fastball on a comeback route, place perfectly between his receiver and the sideline.
Poorly thrown ball on a corner route. Not enough air on it, poorly placed, ends in an interception.
Throws a comeback route from the far hash, poorly placed too far inside, defender knocks it away.
Shows good zip and placement on an out route from the near hash.
Stands in the pocket and makes multiple reads. Poor throw.

Three games from Geno this year. My Notes. Take from it what you want. Questions...Ask. Will likely go back and look at these games again.
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