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Wolf6151
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 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. Nix |
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| I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
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24isthelaw
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. |
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| Wolf6151 wrote: | | I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
Kawann Short will probably get more penetration on a per snap basis, but don't undersell the value of 3-down ability in any system. I'd say Nix is the BPA.
Don't know how to feel about Jesse Williams. He looks impressive but that defense has a lot of good front seven players, and saying he'll be more than a run stuffer at the next level is all projection. Sylvester Williams is not the same caliber of player as these other players.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. |
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| 24isthelaw wrote: | | Wolf6151 wrote: | | I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
Kawann Short will probably get more penetration on a per snap basis, but don't undersell the value of 3-down ability in any system. I'd say Nix is the BPA.
Don't know how to feel about Jesse Williams. He looks impressive but that defense has a lot of good front seven players, and saying he'll be more than a run stuffer at the next level is all projection. Sylvester Williams is not the same caliber of player as these other players. |
What? He's the best player of the group. He's not a nose though. |
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ttitansfan4life
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. |
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| gator3guy wrote: | | 24isthelaw wrote: | | Wolf6151 wrote: | | I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
Kawann Short will probably get more penetration on a per snap basis, but don't undersell the value of 3-down ability in any system. I'd say Nix is the BPA.
Don't know how to feel about Jesse Williams. He looks impressive but that defense has a lot of good front seven players, and saying he'll be more than a run stuffer at the next level is all projection. Sylvester Williams is not the same caliber of player as these other players. |
What? He's the best player of the group. He's not a nose though. |
Uh no he's not. Nix is the best followed by Short, then Sylvester Williams and Jesse Williams. You are right about Sylvester not being a nose though.
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nicfre2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. |
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| gator3guy wrote: | | 24isthelaw wrote: | | Wolf6151 wrote: | | I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
Kawann Short will probably get more penetration on a per snap basis, but don't undersell the value of 3-down ability in any system. I'd say Nix is the BPA.
Don't know how to feel about Jesse Williams. He looks impressive but that defense has a lot of good front seven players, and saying he'll be more than a run stuffer at the next level is all projection. Sylvester Williams is not the same caliber of player as these other players. |
What? He's the best player of the group. He's not a nose though. |
I was pretty impressed with Williams when I had a chance to watch him play. I believe he was playing against Virginia on a bad ankle but still showed impressive explosiveness and quickness. I really think he is an underrated prospect.
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gator3guy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. |
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| ttitansfan4life wrote: | | gator3guy wrote: | | 24isthelaw wrote: | | Wolf6151 wrote: | | I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
Kawann Short will probably get more penetration on a per snap basis, but don't undersell the value of 3-down ability in any system. I'd say Nix is the BPA.
Don't know how to feel about Jesse Williams. He looks impressive but that defense has a lot of good front seven players, and saying he'll be more than a run stuffer at the next level is all projection. Sylvester Williams is not the same caliber of player as these other players. |
What? He's the best player of the group. He's not a nose though. |
Uh no he's not. Nix is the best followed by Short, then Sylvester Williams and Jesse Williams. You are right about Sylvester not being a nose though. |
Nix is a one trick pony. Williams makes an impact in the run game and passing game. Heck of an athlete for a 320 pounder. Short is not better either. Sylvester must be a well kept secret. |
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JammerHammer21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. |
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| gator3guy wrote: | | ttitansfan4life wrote: | | gator3guy wrote: | | 24isthelaw wrote: | | Wolf6151 wrote: | | I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
Kawann Short will probably get more penetration on a per snap basis, but don't undersell the value of 3-down ability in any system. I'd say Nix is the BPA.
Don't know how to feel about Jesse Williams. He looks impressive but that defense has a lot of good front seven players, and saying he'll be more than a run stuffer at the next level is all projection. Sylvester Williams is not the same caliber of player as these other players. |
What? He's the best player of the group. He's not a nose though. |
Uh no he's not. Nix is the best followed by Short, then Sylvester Williams and Jesse Williams. You are right about Sylvester not being a nose though. |
Nix is a one trick pony. Williams makes an impact in the run game and passing game. Heck of an athlete for a 320 pounder. Short is not better either. Sylvester must be a well kept secret. |
Nix may be a one trick pony, but it is the best trick in the draft. He's a huge nose, BJ Raji went #9. He eats blocks up.
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Wolf6151
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| Why couldn't Sylvester Williams be a NT? Like I said in the OP we're looking for a guy who can penetrate and put pressure on the QB, not the traditional brickwall NT. |
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TheGoldenChild
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | gator3guy wrote: | | ttitansfan4life wrote: | | gator3guy wrote: | | 24isthelaw wrote: | | Wolf6151 wrote: | | I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
Kawann Short will probably get more penetration on a per snap basis, but don't undersell the value of 3-down ability in any system. I'd say Nix is the BPA.
Don't know how to feel about Jesse Williams. He looks impressive but that defense has a lot of good front seven players, and saying he'll be more than a run stuffer at the next level is all projection. Sylvester Williams is not the same caliber of player as these other players. |
What? He's the best player of the group. He's not a nose though. |
Uh no he's not. Nix is the best followed by Short, then Sylvester Williams and Jesse Williams. You are right about Sylvester not being a nose though. |
Nix is a one trick pony. Williams makes an impact in the run game and passing game. Heck of an athlete for a 320 pounder. Short is not better either. Sylvester must be a well kept secret. |
Nix may be a one trick pony, but it is the best trick in the draft. He's a huge nose, BJ Raji went #9. He eats blocks up. |
This. He is immovable in the middle. |
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CWood21
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Nix is by far the best of those four. After that, it gets more on a preference for skillset. I don't see Short as much of a nose in any scheme.
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Can Nix play in a 4-3 or is he reserved to the nose tackle postion?
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I cannot tell you anything specific about Sylvester Williams game because my focus was on Kareem Martin in the 3 games I watched. I will say every game while trying to watch Martin that Sylvester keep stealing the show. He was flat out owning the line of scrimmage.
As I said I have not scouted him at all he just caught my eye but I beleive the kid can play at a high level. I am sure anyone who has watched him more than I would gladly back my up on the sentiment.
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| BroncoinGermany wrote: | | Can Nix play in a 4-3 or is he reserved to the nose tackle postion? |
He's pretty big, I don't know if I'd want him in a 4-3. He's dominating in it now.
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nicfre2011
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| KamTrus20 wrote: | I cannot tell you anything specific about Sylvester Williams game because my focus was on Kareem Martin in the 3 games I watched. I will say every game while trying to watch Martin that Sylvester keep stealing the show. He was flat out owning the line of scrimmage.
As I said I have not scouted him at all he just caught my eye but I beleive the kid can play at a high level. I am sure anyone who has watched him more than I would gladly back my up on the sentiment. |
I did watch the Virginia game specifically for Williams and like I mentioned before I came away impressed after keying on him. He was quick off of the ball and did a very good job hitting the gap as both a run defender and interior pass rusher. He also moved down the line well, holding the blocker at bay and tracking the ball carrier. I really liked his quickness. And this was all while playing at less than 100%.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Kawann Short v. Sylvester Williams v. Jesse Williams v. |
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| Wolf6151 wrote: | | I'm looking for a 1st round DT/NT for the Houston Texans to play in a Wade Phillips 1 gap system that emphasizes more penetration and pressure on the QB than in the traditional 2 gap brickwall NT system. Provided the Texans are drafting in the 30's, hopefully #32, who do you think is best for the Texans? He'd be working between Antonio Smith and JJ Watt. Thanks. |
If you're looking for a pure NT, I don't see Short or Williams in that role. To me, they look more like 4-3 UT's or posssibly 3-4 DE's. That leaves Williams and Nix. Both would be great choices, but I have Nix more highly rated. He is like an immovable object and a wall in the middle of the D-Line. I think he'd be perfect for the Texans. |
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