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baysik
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: In today's nfl, how long do you stick with a QB? |
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simple question really... i've just been thinking. Are the developmental years gone (with the exception of Rodgers)?
if you were a decision maker in an NFL organization - be it HC or Owner, how long do you stick with a QB before you move on? What conditions make you change your decision?
What do you consider?
-Where he was drafted?
-the money he is worth contractually?
-his developmental future?
-his age?
-the supporting cast around him?
-your own coaching staff?
How many years would you stick with a vet of 5+ years?
How many years would you stick with a top 10 draft pick vs. a 2nd round QB?
How many years would you stick with a reclamation project (Alex Smith)?
How many years would you stick with a health hazard (Mike Vick)?
I feel like this question, answered differently, has claimed the lives of many NFL coaching careers. There's no one way to answer it, as obviously shown by the league. How do you approach this? |
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vikingsrule
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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I look at it from a year to year basis. If my QB is making the progression needed and my team is having success, I will be content with the position. If my QB is struggling and my team is finishing in the bottom 5-10, I will always consider taking a QB if that QB is the best value available. I dont care if I spent a first round pick on a QB already. If that first round QB is struggling and I am in position to draft a QB I potentially like even more, I pull the trigger. Chances are, one of the QBs can be traded in the future and between the two, I will have a QB myself.
Ideally I want the QB I originally draft to be that guy, but if he isnt, there is no reason to hang onto a guy too long simply because of draft status. The rookie wage scale tells us we no longer have to be occupied with salary.
So to answer the question, I would evaluate the QB position each year relative to the coming draft class until my QB is a proven top 10-15 QB who I feel comfortable growing with. |
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baysik
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| how confident would your approach be if your QB was underperforming and your metrics of analysis told you QB AND OL were problem areas? how do you draft now? |
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vikingsrule
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| baysik wrote: | | how confident would your approach be if your QB was underperforming and your metrics of analysis told you QB AND OL were problem areas? how do you draft now? |
Basically describes the Vikings last year. You have to consider value and Matt Kalil was clearly the better pick over Ryan Tannehill.
If Griffin fell to the Vikings, it would have been something to consider. |
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Tzimisce 
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neezy007 
Joined: 21 May 2008 Posts: 8239 Location: El Paso
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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With Alex Smith the 9ers stuck with his because they had to. The options at QB were never good and there was more pressing needs. With the coordinators he had it tough to say the least. Many people forget he didn't have much help from either WRs, Oline, or coaching, and he was hurt for basically 2 seasons. Now it seems like it is working out. I doubt many, or any, QB will ever have the opportunity to stick around as long as Smith has. _________________
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That's how I feel too <3 |
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vikingsrule
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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With the rookie wage scale in place, I no longer subscribe to the theory that because a team spent a first round pick on a QB that team cant touch the position with another early pick for another 3-4 years while that player develops.
I think that is a potentially dangerous way to build a team that can limit what you can do come draft day. Might even cost you the opportunity at getting an upgrade at the league's most valuable position. |
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carnageehw 
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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3-4 years. _________________
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cpanthers178990 
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Eli Manning could be the poster child for why teams should stick to their terrible young QBs. _________________
SuperCam Career stat track.
32 Games played
7920 Pass Yards
40 Pass TDs
29 Ints
1447 Rushing yards
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Malik
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| QBs can play well into their late 30s so age matters little to me. I don't believe in sticking with bad decisions based on pride (high draft picks) or because of money. The only thing I care about is what they have done on the field and how much I can reasonable expect for them to get better. I factor in things like if there is any offensive help they've had or if the coordinator is terrible when figuring out how much better I can expect them to be. |
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FourThreeMafia 
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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If the players was drafted top 10...3 years if they show very little or nothing...4 if they show some type of improvement each year.
If they are drafted first round...2 to 3...same rules apply.
Second round...1 to 2 years.
Beyond that, its up in the air and just depends on what they show, what other options at QB you have, and what options are avaiable.
If its a Jimmy Clausen/Cam Newton type situation, I fully endorse it. Clausen was drafted in the 2nd round but was laughably bad. Then they had a chance at a far more talented prospect and pulled the trigger.
Overall, if you drafted a QB top 10, you pretty much have to stick it out with them for at least 3 years based on the investment price. _________________
| cluelessororke wrote: | | I am going to laugh in your face when they don't even sniff WR until day three of the draft |
Still waiting for your laugh.... |
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GmenSeattle 
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| cpanthers178990 wrote: | | Eli Manning could be the poster child for why teams should stick to their terrible young QBs. |
You do realize Eli won a title in his 3rd full season right? Plus "terrible" is a rather strong word, he wasn't terrible. _________________
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neezy007 
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Dang Mark Sanchez and Eli are kind of similar huh? The numbers are a little similar. _________________
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That's how I feel too <3 |
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epicMustache 
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| cpanthers178990 wrote: | | Eli Manning could be the poster child for why teams should stick to their terrible young QBs. |
This... most people are ready to pull the switch after 1-2 years of a young QB sucking. How many potential greats have been wasted because of that? _________________
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vikingsrule
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| epicMustache wrote: | | cpanthers178990 wrote: | | Eli Manning could be the poster child for why teams should stick to their terrible young QBs. |
This... most people are ready to pull the switch after 1-2 years of a young QB sucking. How many potential greats have been wasted because of that? |
And how may duds have set franchises back a few years when they realized they dont have a QB in the wings to replace a flop. |
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