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Burleson Declares Calvin > Moss. Is He Right?
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TearsOfPurple


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a career? Yeah CJ might pass Moss. But there is really no better other then Jerry Rice as Moss on his best day.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for the question between who is better in their prime, Moss not thinking twice.

Calvin is 26. Not in his prime. How can you ask the question when one's not even there yet?.


He's nearly 27. When would you start his prime??
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In their primes? It's Moss. But Johnson might be able to catch him career wise.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No..

The thing about Calvin is that he is barely entering his prime..

WR's generally explode onto the scene asap.
first 6 years..

Moss->Moss first 91 games age 26..
525 Catches--8,375 Yards---60 TD's--

Holt-->87 games first 6 years age 28..
517 Catches--8,156--45 TD's

T.O--> I discounted his rookie year since he only had 35 catches..
82 games 6 year span -roookie year
477 Catches--6,950 Yards--68TD's--

Calvin Johnson--> Well since he has been here for 5 years..
72 Games 27 years..
366 Catches--5,872--49 TD's

Unless he goes the Marvin Harrison route the kid has some catching up to do. Generally all those other guys had a couple more years before father time, injuries and bad QB play caught up to them.. When will Calvins athleticism decline? 30?33?35? who knows.. But his Touch Down numbers looks good. But again these guys played in a diff era.. I'm too lazy to do the others.

Rice-Sharpe-Brown-Isaac-Wayne and so on.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yfz01 wrote:
nagahide13 wrote:
TheGreatDebater wrote:
As for the question between who is better in their prime, Moss not thinking twice.

Calvin is 26. Not in his prime. How can you ask the question when one's not even there yet?.


He's nearly 27. When would you start his prime??


It's supposed to be from about 27-29 (Athletically). For most men, at least. Positions like RB are quite obviously different.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nagahide13 wrote:
Yfz01 wrote:
nagahide13 wrote:
TheGreatDebater wrote:
As for the question between who is better in their prime, Moss not thinking twice.

Calvin is 26. Not in his prime. How can you ask the question when one's not even there yet?.


He's nearly 27. When would you start his prime??


It's supposed to be from about 27-29 (Athletically). For most men, at least. Positions like RB are quite obviously different.


He turns 27 this month man Laughing
How much longer do you wanna milk the
26?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A big part of the reason Calvin didn't explode on the scene is how bad of a team he was drafted into relative to the others.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calvin Johnson's career upto this point has been on par with if not better than what Larry Fitzgerald did upto his 5th year. I would say he has a good of a shot to be eventually considered better than Moss as any WR I have ever seen.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

El ramster wrote:
nagahide13 wrote:
Yfz01 wrote:
nagahide13 wrote:
TheGreatDebater wrote:
As for the question between who is better in their prime, Moss not thinking twice.

Calvin is 26. Not in his prime. How can you ask the question when one's not even there yet?.


He's nearly 27. When would you start his prime??


It's supposed to be from about 27-29 (Athletically). For most men, at least. Positions like RB are quite obviously different.


He turns 27 this month man Laughing
How much longer do you wanna milk the
26?


I said from 27 to 29. I want him to, you know, actually be able to have a prime before people start talking about it.

He's also played in 1 game this season. So yeah. I want more time than through his 26th year. I think that's understandable.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Calvin has GOAT potential at WR, so yeah, he can surpass Moss if things go well for him.


People can say this if they want to but he doesn't. He doesn't have the potential to surpass Rice.

As for Moss vs. Johnson, hard to say. I hate Nate Burleson and have next to no respect for him. They're similar players in terms of what they can do. I'd say that Calvin has the potential to be every bit as good as Moss was but he has a ways to go to prove he's that good.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The guy plays the same position as they do and played with both of them. His opinion is certainly as relevant as anyone else's.

He's also a current teammate of Johnson.....do you honestly think he'd say that one of his teammates is the inferior player ??

Jerry Rice and Randy Moss are the two best receivers to ever play the game...Calvin Johnson has a long way to go before being in consideration with them.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calvin Johnson is on his way to being a top 5 WR of all-time. We'll have to wait and see if he keeps it up. But Moss already is a top 5 WR of all-time and had 2 seasons that were better than Johnson's season in 2011.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody set the league on fire like Moss did in 98. 17 TD's as a rookie!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FootballPhreak wrote:
The guy plays the same position as they do and played with both of them. His opinion is certainly as relevant as anyone else's.


Not really, its no different than a coach saying, my QB now is the best QB I've ever coached even though he coached one of the GOAT
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
Bobikus wrote:
Calvin has GOAT potential at WR, so yeah, he can surpass Moss if things go well for him.


People can say this if they want to but he doesn't. He doesn't have the potential to surpass Rice.


I see absolutely no reason that he doesn't beyond media deification of Rice.
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