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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plan9misfit wrote:
Desperado82 wrote:
Rtnldave wrote:
Ok, NO LB'S!!!! No CB'S!!!!!! First and second rounds better be O line, D line. After that do whatever the he!! you want. You want a S, fine get a S. You want a back up QB, I'm all for it. You want a WR, sure why not? You want another OL or DL, I'd be extatic. If they draft anoth CB or LB I will be highly P.O'ed!!!!!


Pretty much.

OL in round 1 and DL in round 2

or

DL in Round 1 and OL in Round 2


And what will it likely be? LB and TE.

Of course, if the LB we select is Jarvis Jones, I'd be 110% in support of the decision.

I am not entirely sure what to think of Jones, as much as I would like a pass rush specialist to give Ware wiggle room. I still need to watch more video to see if he has legit ability, or if he is just strictly getting by like Aaron Maybin.
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No, No, No, No, Nooooooooo! You guys are going with this BPA crap again! Look no further than last year. Claiborne was the BPA and we traded a valuable 2nd round pick away to get the BPA after signing Carr to 50 million. Here we are 4 weeks into the season at 2-2 and the BPA hasn't done a gosh darn thing to warrant that 2nd round pick. That's 2 picks that could have solidified our O line or D line or helped both for 1 player that hasn't proven his worth for 2 picks yet!
And what are you saying? Let's get another LB because he is the BPA!?
Do the words: "When you have too much at one position,you got nothing." Ring a bell?
Stop it with FRICKIN LB's already! We need O line help now! We need D line help now!
Maybe Claiborne and Bryant would live up to thier billing if they had help from up front!
STOP IT WITH THE LB'S!


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rtnldave wrote:
No, No, No, No, Nooooooooo! You guys are going with this BPA crap again! Look no further than last year. Claiborne was the BPA and we traded a valuable 2nd round pick away to get the BPA after signing Carr to 50 million. Here we are 4 weeks into the season at 2-2 and the BPA hasn't done a gosh darn thing to warrant that 2nd round pick. That's 2 picks that could have solidified our O line or D line or helped both for 1 player that hasn't proven his worth for 2 picks yet!
And what are you saying? Let's get another LB because he is the BPA!?
Do the words: "When you have too much at one position,you got nothing." Ring a bell?
Stop it with FRICKIN LB's already! We need O line help now! We need D line help now!
Maybe Claiborne and Bryant would live up to thier billing if they had hel from up front!
STOP IT WITH THE LB'S!


So...we should not draft BPA?

Also - do you expect rookies to make immediate and game changing impacts or do you expect them to have to develop?
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Rtnldave wrote:
No, No, No, No, Nooooooooo! You guys are going with this BPA crap again! Look no further than last year. Claiborne was the BPA and we traded a valuable 2nd round pick away to get the BPA after signing Carr to 50 million. Here we are 4 weeks into the season at 2-2 and the BPA hasn't done a gosh darn thing to warrant that 2nd round pick. That's 2 picks that could have solidified our O line or D line or helped both for 1 player that hasn't proven his worth for 2 picks yet!
And what are you saying? Let's get another LB because he is the BPA!?
Do the words: "When you have too much at one position,you got nothing." Ring a bell?
Stop it with FRICKIN LB's already! We need O line help now! We need D line help now!
Maybe Claiborne and Bryant would live up to thier billing if they had hel from up front!
STOP IT WITH THE LB'S!


So...we should not draft BPA?
Also - do you expect rookies to make immediate and game changing impacts or do you expect them to have to develop?



No! Not if you drafted 2 at that position last year and you already have a plethora of starting LB's! What if a CB is the BPA next year when we are up? Would you take him? Great you keep rotating those positions while Romo keeps running for his life and opposing QB's keep having a soft pocket to step up into. Go ahead, drinmk the Jerry Juice and draft another Freakin LB! Good luck keeping your QB upright.
And as far as Claiborne being a rookie is concerned, if it was our pick at number 6 and we took him, I could live with it. But with all the problems we have on both lines, to give up 2 picks in the 1st and second consecutive rounds, this kid better be Deion Sanders in his prime!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rtnldave wrote:
Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
Rtnldave wrote:
No, No, No, No, Nooooooooo! You guys are going with this BPA crap again! Look no further than last year. Claiborne was the BPA and we traded a valuable 2nd round pick away to get the BPA after signing Carr to 50 million. Here we are 4 weeks into the season at 2-2 and the BPA hasn't done a gosh darn thing to warrant that 2nd round pick. That's 2 picks that could have solidified our O line or D line or helped both for 1 player that hasn't proven his worth for 2 picks yet!
And what are you saying? Let's get another LB because he is the BPA!?
Do the words: "When you have too much at one position,you got nothing." Ring a bell?
Stop it with FRICKIN LB's already! We need O line help now! We need D line help now!
Maybe Claiborne and Bryant would live up to thier billing if they had hel from up front!
STOP IT WITH THE LB'S!


So...we should not draft BPA?
Also - do you expect rookies to make immediate and game changing impacts or do you expect them to have to develop?



No! Not if you drafted 2 at that position last year and you already have a plethora of starting LB's! What if a CB is the BPA next year when we are up? Would you take him? Great you keep rotating those positions while Romo keeps running for his life and opposing QB's keep having a soft pocket to step up into. Go ahead, drinmk the Jerry Juice and draft another Freakin LB! Good luck keeping your QB upright.
And as far as Claiborne being a rookie is concerned, if it was our pick at number 6 and we took him, I could live with it. But with all the problems we have on both lines, to give up 2 picks in the 1st and second consecutive rounds, this kid better be Deion Sanders in his prime!


Laughing

I asked you a question about your thoughts on drafting and suddenly I am drinking Jerry Juice. Cool story bro.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rtnldave wrote:
Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
Rtnldave wrote:
No, No, No, No, Nooooooooo! You guys are going with this BPA crap again! Look no further than last year. Claiborne was the BPA and we traded a valuable 2nd round pick away to get the BPA after signing Carr to 50 million. Here we are 4 weeks into the season at 2-2 and the BPA hasn't done a gosh darn thing to warrant that 2nd round pick. That's 2 picks that could have solidified our O line or D line or helped both for 1 player that hasn't proven his worth for 2 picks yet!
And what are you saying? Let's get another LB because he is the BPA!?
Do the words: "When you have too much at one position,you got nothing." Ring a bell?
Stop it with FRICKIN LB's already! We need O line help now! We need D line help now!
Maybe Claiborne and Bryant would live up to thier billing if they had hel from up front!
STOP IT WITH THE LB'S!


So...we should not draft BPA?
Also - do you expect rookies to make immediate and game changing impacts or do you expect them to have to develop?



No! Not if you drafted 2 at that position last year and you already have a plethora of starting LB's! What if a CB is the BPA next year when we are up? Would you take him? Great you keep rotating those positions while Romo keeps running for his life and opposing QB's keep having a soft pocket to step up into. Go ahead, drinmk the Jerry Juice and draft another Freakin LB! Good luck keeping your QB upright.!


It depends on what they do with Spencer. If they re-sign him, than yes...we obviously shouldn't draft an OLB in the 1st. If they don't, and don't bring in someone through free agency...OLB would become a 1st round need. Victor Butler hasn't shown he can be a dependable starter and is a pass rush specialist. Wilber is an unknown. As we've seen time and time again, Ware can't do it all by himself.

Taking an OLB in the 1st also would not prevent us from drafting an offensive lineman in the 2nd round.
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Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
Rtnldave wrote:
Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
Rtnldave wrote:
No, No, No, No, Nooooooooo! You guys are going with this BPA crap again! Look no further than last year. Claiborne was the BPA and we traded a valuable 2nd round pick away to get the BPA after signing Carr to 50 million. Here we are 4 weeks into the season at 2-2 and the BPA hasn't done a gosh darn thing to warrant that 2nd round pick. That's 2 picks that could have solidified our O line or D line or helped both for 1 player that hasn't proven his worth for 2 picks yet!
And what are you saying? Let's get another LB because he is the BPA!?
Do the words: "When you have too much at one position,you got nothing." Ring a bell?
Stop it with FRICKIN LB's already! We need O line help now! We need D line help now!
Maybe Claiborne and Bryant would live up to thier billing if they had hel from up front!
STOP IT WITH THE LB'S!


So...we should not draft BPA?
Also - do you expect rookies to make immediate and game changing impacts or do you expect them to have to develop?



No! Not if you drafted 2 at that position last year and you already have a plethora of starting LB's! What if a CB is the BPA next year when we are up? Would you take him? Great you keep rotating those positions while Romo keeps running for his life and opposing QB's keep having a soft pocket to step up into. Go ahead, drinmk the Jerry Juice and draft another Freakin LB! Good luck keeping your QB upright.
And as far as Claiborne being a rookie is concerned, if it was our pick at number 6 and we took him, I could live with it. But with all the problems we have on both lines, to give up 2 picks in the 1st and second consecutive rounds, this kid better be Deion Sanders in his prime!


Laughing

I asked you a question about your thoughts on drafting and suddenly I am drinking Jerry Juice. Cool story bro.


I say that because I believe Jerry is all about DB's and LB's. He has been going that route for over a decade now. And he loves the idea of BPA even if there are glaring needs at other positions. Perhaps an availble O lineman would not be as good at his position as a LB or CB. Regardless, he is still very good and is worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick. Knowing our situation, do you take the BPA even though we do not need that position? Why? Explain your reasoning? Then you have guys fighting for playing time and you still have not resolved your most pressing needs. And guys like Romo, Witten, Ware, Ratliff etc are only getting older.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I say that because I believe Jerry is all about DB's and LB's. He has been going that route for over a decade now. And he loves the idea of BPA even if there are glaring needs at other positions. Perhaps an availble O lineman would not be as good at his position as a LB or CB. Regardless, he is still very good and is worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick. Knowing our situation, do you take the BPA even though we do not need that position? Why? Explain your reasoning? Then you have guys fighting for playing time and you still have not resolved your most pressing needs. And guys like Romo, Witten, Ware, Ratliff etc are only getting older.


I mean, I don't think BPA is the best modus operandi - but a lot here do. Hence why I asked. I don't think you should reach for a player simply because it's a need. Nor do I think you should pass up on your highest rated player simply because it's not a need right now. GB didn't need Rodgers when they drafted him. Yet he was fantastic value. And it payed off dividends. I think a lot of things need to be evaluated. If we say had two young stud S, and another fell to us - I don't think there would be logic it taking him. But it could be a nice bargaining chip to trade out. If we know we are going to need a position in a year or two - and the player is far and away the highest player on our board - then no I have no problem with that.

The thing is though, with LBer, if Spencer leaves we will have a hole to fix. Doesn't necessarily have to be fixed via FA or even the draft if they are confident in Wilber - but it's a question-mark.

I do, however, think it's very bad practice to ignore a player of immense talent because it's not an immediate need. I don't think Drafting can be viewed through the lens of black and white, right or wrong. You need to have a flowing complex approach.
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I say that because I believe Jerry is all about DB's and LB's. He has been going that route for over a decade now. And he loves the idea of BPA even if there are glaring needs at other positions. Perhaps an availble O lineman would not be as good at his position as a LB or CB. Regardless, he is still very good and is worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick. Knowing our situation, do you take the BPA even though we do not need that position? Why? Explain your reasoning? Then you have guys fighting for playing time and you still have not resolved your most pressing needs. And guys like Romo, Witten, Ware, Ratliff etc are only getting older.


I mean, I don't think BPA is the best modus operandi - but a lot here do. Hence why I asked. I don't think you should reach for a player simply because it's a need. Nor do I think you should pass up on your highest rated player simply because it's not a need right now. GB didn't need Rodgers when they drafted him. Yet he was fantastic value. And it payed off dividends. I think a lot of things need to be evaluated. If we say had two young stud S, and another fell to us - I don't think there would be logic it taking him. But it could be a nice bargaining chip to trade out. If we know we are going to need a position in a year or two - and the player is far and away the highest player on our board - then no I have no problem with that.

The thing is though, with LBer, if Spencer leaves we will have a hole to fix. Doesn't necessarily have to be fixed via FA or even the draft if they are confident in Wilber - but it's a question-mark.

I do, however, think it's very bad practice to ignore a player of immense talent because it's not an immediate need. I don't think Drafting can be viewed through the lens of black and white, right or wrong. You need to have a flowing complex approach.[/quote]

Agreed. But just look at the teams that are winnign now. They did draft O line and D line. And as I state din another post, I believe D lines are morphing into an entire new breed. Way faster and more agile than in the past. They are getting around O lines not through them anymore ala Reggie White tossing Larry Allen. I do not think we have 1 D lineman that fits that mold, perhaps Crawford, yet to be seen.
I just cannot see us continuing to patch positions like LB and DB when we have been doing this for years now. It isn't working.
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In other news, I now think my criticism of Aaron Murray - given that he received horrible news about his father - is far too harsh. I think that would impact anyone's play.
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Is there a BPA strategy that takes areas of need into account? Is that called something?
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Is there a BPA strategy that takes areas of need into account? Is that called something?


The draft should always consist of need meets value meets opportunity, but you also want to take the best player available regardless of position to ensure that you don't leave a more talented player on the board for someone else to take. If the BPA does not fit a need, then the value and opportunity you create is by trading down and then selecting someone else.
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Is there a BPA strategy that takes areas of need into account? Is that called something?


The draft should always consist of need meets value meets opportunity, but you also want to take the best player available regardless of position to ensure that you don't leave a more talented player on the board for someone else to take. If the BPA does not fit a need, then the value and opportunity you create is by trading down and then selecting someone else.

Taking BPA ensures competition. What Dallas has done this year, which I feel is a great strategy is to fill needs via FA so they can take BPA. Don't be shocked to see us look into FA to fill all of our needs.
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Is there a BPA strategy that takes areas of need into account? Is that called something?


The draft should always consist of need meets value meets opportunity, but you also want to take the best player available regardless of position to ensure that you don't leave a more talented player on the board for someone else to take. If the BPA does not fit a need, then the value and opportunity you create is by trading down and then selecting someone else.

Taking BPA ensures competition. What Dallas has done this year, which I feel is a great strategy is to fill needs via FA so they can take BPA. Don't be shocked to see us look into FA to fill all of our needs.


I have a feeling Connor Barwin will hit free agency after the year...if he does, and we do not re-sign Spencer...I'd like to see us bring him in.

It would allow us to address the OL and DL in the first two rounds and then draft BPA the rest of the draft.
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Desperado82 wrote:
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plan9misfit wrote:
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Is there a BPA strategy that takes areas of need into account? Is that called something?


The draft should always consist of need meets value meets opportunity, but you also want to take the best player available regardless of position to ensure that you don't leave a more talented player on the board for someone else to take. If the BPA does not fit a need, then the value and opportunity you create is by trading down and then selecting someone else.

Taking BPA ensures competition. What Dallas has done this year, which I feel is a great strategy is to fill needs via FA so they can take BPA. Don't be shocked to see us look into FA to fill all of our needs.


I have a feeling Connor Barwin will hit free agency after the year...if he does, and we do not re-sign Spencer...I'd like to see us bring him in.

It would allow us to address the OL and DL in the first two rounds and then draft BPA the rest of the draft.

Where do you feel we need to address DL at? I feel we are good there. I would be happy for us to go BPA through out.
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