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Flaccomania


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superman(DH23) wrote:
Flaccomania wrote:
Slaymont Harris wrote:
baconrad3 wrote:


If PPG is a team stat, why do people use it as one of the biggest determining factors in judging a team's defense? Don't you just love shoving your foot in your mouth? Even mods do it every now and then, it's ok.

Lol yeah so I should take the time and go through every single team's game results to calculate how many points the defense gave up....It's so simple and isn't time consuming at all!

Sorry some of us don't have enough free time like you do to do menial things like that when there are supposed to be professional football statisticians out there to give us those stats.

But by all means, continue with your condescending remarks. Go ahead and do me a favor and go through every team's schedule this year and determine their defense's actual PPGA for me. It's obviously so simple like you said, so it shouldn't be a problem for you Laughing


Applause

The problem is not the math, it's that it's a small research project to calculate this stat for all 32 teams every week. Besides, we all have calculators on our desktops. Razz


It's actually not that hard...

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&season=2012&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go
That's not correct tho, the Bears D has only given up 17 pts in one game, yet they avg 17 ppg on that page. Unless I'm missing something. Also the Bears have only given up 3 receiving TDs on the year, (2 to Dal, 1 to GB) yet it shows 5.


CHI 41 IND 21
CHI 10 GB 23
CHI 23 STL 6
CHI 34 DAL 18

21 + 23 + 6 + 18 = 68/4 = 17

You've let up receiving TDs to Donnie Avery (IND), Donald Driver (GB), Tom Crabtree (GB) (this was the fake FG, it counts as a passing TD as the punter passed it to him), Jason Witten (DAL) and Miles Austin (DAL).

Looks like you forgot the Colts game Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baconrad3 wrote:
mse326 wrote:
baconrad3 wrote:
Slaymont Harris wrote:
baconrad3 wrote:
wow_junky wrote:
Have the Eagles really done enough to be top 10? They've conceded 22 PPG against 2 very modest offences + the Ravens... Admittedly I haven't seen them play much so hopefully someone can enlighten me!


The defense has actually given up about 19 ppg....the offense has given up 2 tds actually on turnovers that were taken back for TDs


and considering how many other turnovers there have been....it's even more impressive.

I'd like to see a stat for all teams that subtracts non-defensive TDs given up and includes the offenses turnovers. For example, the Bears have given up 12 PPG once you subtract a pick 6 and a special teams TD, despite Jay throwing an additional 5 picks.


You'd think that statisticians would be logical enough to formulate points per game allowed by only points actually given up by the defense.


Why?

PPG is a team stat. Not a defensive stat. The TEAM gave up the points. If you want to just look defense you have to do some basic math. Oh the humanity.


If PPG is a team stat, why do people use it as one of the biggest determining factors in judging a team's defense? Don't you just love shoving your foot in your mouth? Even mods do it every now and then, it's ok.

Lol yeah so I should take the time and go through every single team's game results to calculate how many points the defense gave up....It's so simple and isn't time consuming at all!

Sorry some of us don't have enough free time like you do to do menial things like that when there are supposed to be professional football statisticians out there to give us those stats.

But by all means, continue with your condescending remarks. Go ahead and do me a favor and go through every team's schedule this year and determine their defense's actual PPGA for me. It's obviously so simple like you said, so it shouldn't be a problem for you Laughing


It depends on what time.

At the end of the year the difference is minimal so neglecting the work to come to an accurate determination is not of paramount concern.

But I see it come up all the time when there is a substantial difference.

And more generally just because people use a stat wrong doesn't mean the stat itself is wrong.
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