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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably the only time I'm happy that a Steelers player didn't get suspended...


If thats alluding to the fact that Mundy sucks, he likely wont see the field much beyond this anyway. He was taken out in the 2nd half and replaced with Will Allen. Obviously more injureies could force him back into the game, but he was so awful its doubtful he gets much more PT.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TheVillain112 wrote:
Probably the only time I'm happy that a Steelers player didn't get suspended...


If thats alluding to the fact that Mundy sucks, he likely wont see the field much beyond this anyway. He was taken out in the 2nd half and replaced with Will Allen. Obviously more injureies could force him back into the game, but he was so awful its doubtful he gets much more PT.


Sucks to hear. Logical move though...
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That's an appropriate amount. If DHB didn't get carted off, no one would be surprised at the low fine.

The hit was less vicious than the hits James Harrison and others have been fined a lot more for. It just happened to be a hit that landed just in the right spot to almost decapitate DHB. If it was a few inches in any other direction, he wouldn't have almost been decapitated.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's an appropriate amount. If DHB didn't get carted off, no one would be surprised at the low fine.

The hit was less vicious than the hits James Harrison and others have been fined a lot more for. It just happened to be a hit that landed just in the right spot to almost decapitate DHB. If it was a few inches in any other direction, he wouldn't have almost been decapitated.


Actually, not sure any of James Harrison's looked as bad as that one did, simply because I think all of Deebo's hits were grounded. This one was airborne.
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That's an appropriate amount. If DHB didn't get carted off, no one would be surprised at the low fine.

The hit was less vicious than the hits James Harrison and others have been fined a lot more for. It just happened to be a hit that landed just in the right spot to almost decapitate DHB. If it was a few inches in any other direction, he wouldn't have almost been decapitated.


if he didnt hit him at all he wouldnt get a fine either...so whats the point....he got carted off because it was a horrible tackle. i dont think the fact that if you changed this or that should matter. just like the packers player a few years back that close lined a player. he didnt mean to, an inch lower it would have not been an issue, and if the player didnt get injured it wouldnt have looked bad...yet he still got a suspension and it was well deserved. just because it COULD have turn out different doesnt mean it should be punished differently.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should have been 50k.

Do not understand how this was only 21k, but I stated my thoughts in the gameday thread and therefore will not get into it again.
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Should have been 50k.

Do not understand how this was only 21k, but I stated my thoughts in the gameday thread and therefore will not get into it again.


No, it shouldnt have been 50.

If it was his 2nd time or clearly malicious, thats one thing.

Neither happened to be the case.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Probably the only time I'm happy that a Steelers player didn't get suspended...


If thats alluding to the fact that Mundy sucks, he likely wont see the field much beyond this anyway. He was taken out in the 2nd half and replaced with Will Allen. Obviously more injureies could force him back into the game, but he was so awful its doubtful he gets much more PT.


Mundy played in the second half. He gave up their TD (Which was taken back) then failed to play his zone correctly when they re-scored it a few plays later.
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As a Raider fan, I do not think he intended to do what he did. But, he still deserves to miss 1 game. The fines are apparently not working, someone is going to have to get paralized from one of these hits. I think thats what it will take for the NFL send a stronger message.

I remember saying "I think he's dead".


Scary stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
lionslicer wrote:
That's an appropriate amount. If DHB didn't get carted off, no one would be surprised at the low fine.

The hit was less vicious than the hits James Harrison and others have been fined a lot more for. It just happened to be a hit that landed just in the right spot to almost decapitate DHB. If it was a few inches in any other direction, he wouldn't have almost been decapitated.


Actually, not sure any of James Harrison's looked as bad as that one did, simply because I think all of Deebo's hits were grounded. This one was airborne.


He was barely airborne, if at all. He wasn't even squared up to DHB when he landed the hit. He was running full speed, lowered his head and hit DHB right under the chin. At not point did he really even launch himself.

James Harrison got more air on his hit to Massaquoi than Mundy got on DHB. What both did was illegal by today's rules. But Mundy's hit was by no means that violent compared to many other illegal hits in the NFL. I feel bad DHB was hospitalized, but that doesn't mean Mundy should be suspended for the rest of the year or something. Some people are calling for his head.

Mundy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ljJ6wVSws

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRWZ5l0nzXo
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As a Raider fan, I do not think he intended to do what he did. But, he still deserves to miss 1 game. The fines are apparently not working, someone is going to have to get paralized from one of these hits. I think thats what it will take for the NFL send a stronger message.

I remember saying "I think he's dead".


Scary stuff.


Players are only allowed to be suspended 1 or more games when it comes to illegal hits if they are a repeat offender. The Steelers as a team are a repeat offender, but this is the first time Mundy has gotten into this type of trouble. Thus, by the rules, he is not allowed to be suspended. The players association would have a fit if he was suspended.

Fines aren't working because they are a set number, they should be a percentage of the players salary. 21k is going to effect anyone in this league. But 21% of their game or yearly salary, yeah that will leave a dent in their wallet.
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Players are only allowed to be suspended 1 or more games when it comes to illegal hits if they are a repeat offender. The Steelers as a team are a repeat offender, but this is the first time Mundy has gotten into this type of trouble. Thus, by the rules, he is not allowed to be suspended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2uBMwRd5sk

I can't remember if he got fined for that but that's just one drive and twice he hits with his helmet.
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I'm going to comment on this just one time and just watch other people's responses. I'm not going to retort because I have a feeling that people are going to let their emotions get the best of them rather than logic in regards to my post...

I am very sorry for what happened to Heyward-Bey. As I saw it live I thought he was ok, but then as I saw his body hit the ground I realized he was a.) Unconscious when he hit the ground and b.) probably knocked unconscious prior to landing. However, prior to that at no point did I think it was a malicious or truly violent hit akin to ones I had even seen that day. However, due to the end result I feel that people think there deserves a suspension as opposed to the actual hit. Which I can understand. I simply don't agree with it.

http://postimage.org/image/vypn6syuf/

Right there Mundy can be seen extending his arms to try and make the hit. In fact, one arm looks to be in front of Heyward-Bey while the other appears to be behind him. Mundy's helmet doesn't appear to be lowered yet either. At first this all looks to be - suprisingly - a decent form tackle from Mundy.

http://postimage.org/image/u1sx2886f/

At the point of impact Mundy's facemask is in DHB's chest... Now in order to not cause a stir I'll say his head is lowered there. Unfortunately the crown of his helmet makes contact with DHB's chin resulting in whiplash, a potential concussion, etc. However, let's be honest... Mundy isn't good enough in a game that goes this fast to purposely attempt to hit DHB's chest to avoid a punishment. He was simply trying to dislodge the ball which I have absolutely no issue with regardless of team. And it appears he attempted to do good. But because DHB is falling and Mundy is crappily trying to recover they collide at fast speeds and part of Mundy's helmet unfortunately hits DHB's chin causing the incident. Very unfortunately we got that ugly result.

However, clearly this is more of a result of Mundy's actual inability to do his job as opposed to Mundy attempting to hit DHB in the head or inflict pain. Mundy doesn't launch and he doesn't aim for the head. However, he DOES make contact with the head and technically speaking a falling DHB is an unprotected receiver(or whatever the term is called). So I have no issue with a flag. Nor do I have an issue with the fine because they're both against the rules.

However, my issue is with the rule itself that receivers are protected thus hampering defenses. However, when stuff like this happens you can see why they have the defenseless receiver rule. But as a defender what are you to do? Well I guess you could not suck like Mundy. But then if you're not good it's an instant TD for the offense. I don't know, basically I have no issue with the fine and if there would have been a flag but I do take issue with people saying he is dirty, etc... It was more a result of his ineptitude than anything and calling for a suspension based on the result is not smart to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lionslicer wrote:
The Steelers as a team are a repeat offender, but this is the first time Mundy has gotten into this type of trouble.


And what is that supposed to mean?
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lionslicer wrote:
The Steelers as a team are a repeat offender, but this is the first time Mundy has gotten into this type of trouble.


And what is that supposed to mean?


Why even ask. You know what it means. We're not in Forum 31 right now. The Steelers are officially Public Enemy No. 3 behind the Patriots and the Replacement Refs.
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