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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When do we find out? The suspension is killing me.


Monday.

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Same thing, but usually more so with my mocks. And thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When do we find out? The suspension is killing me.


There is a week roster exemption
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
Sending someone to IR though would still have their salary count against our cap. So the cutting Merling because his salary is guaranteed vs sending someone to IR doesn't matter. If we send Richardson, his salary is 390k. The difference between sending him to IR vs cutting Merling is no difference. Those two salaries stay on our books. If we cut someone vs Merling, then there's the difference.
Exactly what I was thinking. Good post.


Except you get to keep them another offseason too. At least you're not paying for nothing. He'll be there next training camp.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blankman0021 wrote:
justo wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
Sending someone to IR though would still have their salary count against our cap. So the cutting Merling because his salary is guaranteed vs sending someone to IR doesn't matter. If we send Richardson, his salary is 390k. The difference between sending him to IR vs cutting Merling is no difference. Those two salaries stay on our books. If we cut someone vs Merling, then there's the difference.
Exactly what I was thinking. Good post.


Except you get to keep them another offseason too. At least you're not paying for nothing. He'll be there next training camp.


Also, there is a 310K difference between Richardson and Merling. That does not seem like a ton, but it is a savings we can use elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rbens06 wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
justo wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
Sending someone to IR though would still have their salary count against our cap. So the cutting Merling because his salary is guaranteed vs sending someone to IR doesn't matter. If we send Richardson, his salary is 390k. The difference between sending him to IR vs cutting Merling is no difference. Those two salaries stay on our books. If we cut someone vs Merling, then there's the difference.
Exactly what I was thinking. Good post.


Except you get to keep them another offseason too. At least you're not paying for nothing. He'll be there next training camp.


Also, there is a 310K difference between Richardson and Merling. That does not seem like a ton, but it is a savings we can use elsewhere.


No there isn't. There's a 150K difference. And that's for cutting Richardson, which we A) Can't do since he's injured and B) probably don't want to do. There is a 0 cost difference for IR because both salaries count against the cap regardless.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Am Rodgers wrote:
rbens06 wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
justo wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
Sending someone to IR though would still have their salary count against our cap. So the cutting Merling because his salary is guaranteed vs sending someone to IR doesn't matter. If we send Richardson, his salary is 390k. The difference between sending him to IR vs cutting Merling is no difference. Those two salaries stay on our books. If we cut someone vs Merling, then there's the difference.
Exactly what I was thinking. Good post.


Except you get to keep them another offseason too. At least you're not paying for nothing. He'll be there next training camp.


Also, there is a 310K difference between Richardson and Merling. That does not seem like a ton, but it is a savings we can use elsewhere.


No there isn't. There's a 150K difference. And that's for cutting Richardson, which we A) Can't do since he's injured and B) probably don't want to do. There is a 0 cost difference for IR because both salaries count against the cap regardless.


Should have explained more, this is exactly right for the IR situation with Richardson and cutting Merling.

I agree with point B that we probably do not want to cut him, but you can cut an injured player, you just need to give them an injury settlement, which in that case we are out that money. This happens all the time with players in training camp and I believe we did this a couple of years ago with Blackmon.
Richardson's contract is not fully guaranteed, thus cutting him would result in his remaining salary coming off our books (less any injury settlement). Cutting Merling, whose contract is fully guaranteed, would result in his salary staying on the books. This means that we would save money by cutting Richardson over Merling. Right now from my calculations the difference in remaining salaries is 232,500, which means that if we cut Merling over cutting Richardson we are out 232,500 more than just cutting Richardson.
Either way, right now I do not think we will cut either of the two.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you think the decision will have a lot less to do with saving money than with who makes the roster the strongest?

Also, if Neal were going to play Sunday, wouldn't you think the team would have announced a roster move by now?

My guess is that they'll wait until their week exemption is up, then make a move. Since the Packers play so few defensive linemen - sometimes three, sometimes two or even one, depending upon the formation - my guess is that they'll cut Merling to make room. I suppose they could IR Richardson, but wouldn't that be blatantly misusing IR to manage the roster?

But then again, they did that with Lawrence Guy last year, I think.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fritz wrote:
Don't you think the decision will have a lot less to do with saving money than with who makes the roster the strongest?

Also, if Neal were going to play Sunday, wouldn't you think the team would have announced a roster move by now?

My guess is that they'll wait until their week exemption is up, then make a move. Since the Packers play so few defensive linemen - sometimes three, sometimes two or even one, depending upon the formation - my guess is that they'll cut Merling to make room. I suppose they could IR Richardson, but wouldn't that be blatantly misusing IR to manage the roster?

But then again, they did that with Lawrence Guy last year, I think.


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My money is on Merling cut or Richardson/surprise person to IR. Saving a couple hundred K isn't that big of a deal for them. They still have plenty of cap space to load a deal into this year.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Packers activated DE Mike Neal from exempt status and released DE Phillip Merling



Boom.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Packers activated DE Mike Neal from exempt status and released DE Phillip Merling
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Packers activated DE Mike Neal from exempt status and released DE Phillip Merling


Beat you. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Am Rodgers wrote:
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Packers activated DE Mike Neal from exempt status and released DE Phillip Merling



Boom.


It was the obvious move. 5 DL are going to be game day actives in normal circumstances, no reason to devote 2 roster spots to guys who stand to be healthy scratches week in and week out (not saying that would be Merling and Neal, but just that it would be the bottom 2/7 DL, now it's the bottom 1/6 DL).

fritz wrote:
...wouldn't that be blatantly misusing IR to manage the roster?

But then again, they did that with Lawrence Guy last year, I think.


Considering the NFL's ongoing massive lawsuit about concussions, and it's related emphasis on them, I think that if a player suffers a concussion that causes him to miss a significant portion of training camp and the preseason and is still not cleared by doctors at roster cut-down time, putting him on IR should be considered a totally legitimate move.

I mean, it's not like a concussion can't be a year-long injury, just ask Justin Morneau, Sidney Crosby, or Jahvid Best.


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I Am Rodgers wrote:
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Packers activated DE Mike Neal from exempt status and released DE Phillip Merling


Beat you. Laughing


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Mike Neal activated for a "homecoming" game. Me gusta.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Am Rodgers wrote:
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Packers activated DE Mike Neal from exempt status and released DE Phillip Merling



Boom.


No issue from my end. I was shocked when Merling made the team. Win for both parties. Merling filled the spot and got paid VERY well for 4 games.

Now it's time to see what Neal can do with the other young rushers, starting tomorrow!
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I'll update the thread title to reflect the transaction.
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