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ugLymayNe


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bohlmann20 wrote:
Dallas94Ware wrote:
Majority of those guys are overrated. A couple are even out of the league coaching wise.


What?

Belicheck - top coach in all of football
Dimitroff - Don't know who that is.
Pioli - not a coach any longer, not valid
Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.
Ferentz - Overrated
Saban - top 3 coach in all of football
Schwartz - Overrated
Newsome - idk
Mangini - sucks, but everyone knows it, so not overrated


Oh my...............Yeah, Vince game back in 1995 to coach the Brownies..Laughing

And you don't know who Ozzie Newsome or Thomas Dimitroff is? Oh ok. Do you not pay attention to the whole NFL or do you just know your own team?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugLymayNe wrote:
Bohlmann20 wrote:
Dallas94Ware wrote:
Majority of those guys are overrated. A couple are even out of the league coaching wise.


What?

Belicheck - top coach in all of football
Dimitroff - Don't know who that is.
Pioli - not a coach any longer, not valid
Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.
Ferentz - Overrated
Saban - top 3 coach in all of football
Schwartz - Overrated
Newsome - idk
Mangini - sucks, but everyone knows it, so not overrated


Oh my...............Yeah, Vince game back in 1995 to coach the Brownies..Laughing

And you don't know who Ozzie Newsome or Thomas Dimitroff is? Oh ok. Do you not pay attention to the whole NFL or do you just know your own team?


He doesn't have a team
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
ugLymayNe wrote:
Bohlmann20 wrote:
Dallas94Ware wrote:
Majority of those guys are overrated. A couple are even out of the league coaching wise.


What?

Belicheck - top coach in all of football
Dimitroff - Don't know who that is.
Pioli - not a coach any longer, not valid
Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.
Ferentz - Overrated
Saban - top 3 coach in all of football
Schwartz - Overrated
Newsome - idk
Mangini - sucks, but everyone knows it, so not overrated


Oh my...............Yeah, Vince game back in 1995 to coach the Brownies..Laughing

And you don't know who Ozzie Newsome or Thomas Dimitroff is? Oh ok. Do you not pay attention to the whole NFL or do you just know your own team?


He doesn't have a team


He only knows his own team * he doesn't have a team = he doesn't know anything
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I love how every just dismisses Pat Hill and Mike Tannabaum.

Hill is a very good coach who produces NFL talent at a non-BCS college.

Also Eric Mangini is very underrated as a coach. He got the short end of the stick in Cleveland and New York. Rex Ryan's best seasons were with the talent Eric Mangini helped put together and coached up. Eric Mangini took over a Browns team that was strapped against the cap and had no draft picks, but he was fired because his team was too old and lacked talent. How the F do you expect someone to get younger when your last GM(Phil Savage) traded away all you picks and made ridiculously stupid FA signings and strapped the team financially? Out of all the coaches in Cleveland since 1999 Eric Mangini got more results from less talent.


Mangini can never get a break. With the Jets, they were having a good season until Farve got injured, refused to miss a game and was the sole reason they collapsed late in the season.

Everything went against Mangini in Cleveland... No talent, no picks, and then a new GM comes in that already has a vendetta against him because Mangini is a power run gun and refuses to use the west coast offense.

Dude can't get a break.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lionslicer wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
I love how every just dismisses Pat Hill and Mike Tannabaum.

Hill is a very good coach who produces NFL talent at a non-BCS college.

Also Eric Mangini is very underrated as a coach. He got the short end of the stick in Cleveland and New York. Rex Ryan's best seasons were with the talent Eric Mangini helped put together and coached up. Eric Mangini took over a Browns team that was strapped against the cap and had no draft picks, but he was fired because his team was too old and lacked talent. How the F do you expect someone to get younger when your last GM(Phil Savage) traded away all you picks and made ridiculously stupid FA signings and strapped the team financially? Out of all the coaches in Cleveland since 1999 Eric Mangini got more results from less talent.



Mangini can never get a break. With the Jets, they were having a good season until Farve got injured, refused to miss a game and was the sole reason they collapsed late in the season.

Everything went against Mangini in Cleveland... No talent, no picks, and then a new GM comes in that already has a vendetta against him because Mangini is a power run gun and refuses to use the west coast offense.

Dude can't get a break.


Mangini is partially to blame for the lack of talent
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lionslicer wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
I love how every just dismisses Pat Hill and Mike Tannabaum.

Hill is a very good coach who produces NFL talent at a non-BCS college.

Also Eric Mangini is very underrated as a coach. He got the short end of the stick in Cleveland and New York. Rex Ryan's best seasons were with the talent Eric Mangini helped put together and coached up. Eric Mangini took over a Browns team that was strapped against the cap and had no draft picks, but he was fired because his team was too old and lacked talent. How the F do you expect someone to get younger when your last GM(Phil Savage) traded away all you picks and made ridiculously stupid FA signings and strapped the team financially? Out of all the coaches in Cleveland since 1999 Eric Mangini got more results from less talent.


Mangini can never get a break. With the Jets, they were having a good season until Farve got injured, refused to miss a game and was the sole reason they collapsed late in the season.

Everything went against Mangini in Cleveland... No talent, no picks, and then a new GM comes in that already has a vendetta against him because Mangini is a power run gun and refuses to use the west coast offense.

Dude can't get a break.


This is true. Mangini was a good coach put in a bad position.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The interesting thing about all of this is the fact that despite having such a loaded staff, the roster was in godawful shape after the move. They drafted horribly in the years leading up to 1996, relied on a crapload of veterans who were beginning to hit their slide, and had a defense in full blown free fall mode. To put how things bad were in perspective, the Ravens had a Pro Bowl quarterback in 1996 and still went 4-12. By 2000, only 3 players were left from the 1995 Browns roster. So whatever that dream staff did, they were doing it wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bohlmann20 wrote:
lionslicer wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
I love how every just dismisses Pat Hill and Mike Tannabaum.

Hill is a very good coach who produces NFL talent at a non-BCS college.

Also Eric Mangini is very underrated as a coach. He got the short end of the stick in Cleveland and New York. Rex Ryan's best seasons were with the talent Eric Mangini helped put together and coached up. Eric Mangini took over a Browns team that was strapped against the cap and had no draft picks, but he was fired because his team was too old and lacked talent. How the F do you expect someone to get younger when your last GM(Phil Savage) traded away all you picks and made ridiculously stupid FA signings and strapped the team financially? Out of all the coaches in Cleveland since 1999 Eric Mangini got more results from less talent.


Mangini can never get a break. With the Jets, they were having a good season until Farve got injured, refused to miss a game and was the sole reason they collapsed late in the season.

Everything went against Mangini in Cleveland... No talent, no picks, and then a new GM comes in that already has a vendetta against him because Mangini is a power run gun and refuses to use the west coast offense.

Dude can't get a break.


This is true. Mangini was a good coach put in a bad position.


Yet earlier in this thread....

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Mangini - sucks, but everyone knows it, so not overrated


Please....stop....I cants takes no mores.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.

omfg Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eagles101 wrote:
RandyMossIsBoss wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
didnt BB suck at Cleveland. going to the jets and getting booted could have easily been the reason he became a great coach.


He didn't get booted from New York, he quit before his first presser by writing down that he "resigns as HC" on a napkin. He received an offer to go to New England and fled. Although because the pats basically stole him from the jets, they were forced to give the jets a 1st round pick for BB.


i didnt mean booted from new york sorry. i meant booted from Cleveland and then went to new york. should have wrote that differently.


Belichick went from Cleveland to the Pats in 1996 as the DB coach before going to the Jets in 1997 (followed Parcells).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the guys on that are legit. But Nick Saban was a disaster with the dolphins. Fantastic college coach, but like Stephen Orr Spurrier, he was terrible in the NFL.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm at WalMart getting a tire changed, and the fact that somone though Vince Lombardi was on the clevland coaching staff just made me lol in the waiting area.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bohlmann20 wrote:

Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sp6488 wrote:
coleman51 wrote:


LMAO!

I've gotta find somewhere online to watch this. While hindsight is 20/20, there was an incredible amount of football genius on that team. It's probably a great thing that they split up (Sorry Cleveland) but it's best that football can be better everywhere than in one place to create competition. Dimitroff/Newsome are two of the best GM's in the league, probably both top 5, and Pioli was in New England for a good time as well. He's also put together a great team in KC but it's just not all meshing yet.

Bohlmann20 stole this thread too, let's get back on topic!


Must this infect every NFL Gen thread?


What? Every thread?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
I love how every just dismisses Pat Hill and Mike Tannabaum.

Hill is a very good coach who produces NFL talent at a non-BCS college.

Also Eric Mangini is very underrated as a coach. He got the short end of the stick in Cleveland and New York. Rex Ryan's best seasons were with the talent Eric Mangini helped put together and coached up. Eric Mangini took over a Browns team that was strapped against the cap and had no draft picks, but he was fired because his team was too old and lacked talent. How the F do you expect someone to get younger when your last GM(Phil Savage) traded away all you picks and made ridiculously stupid FA signings and strapped the team financially? Out of all the coaches in Cleveland since 1999 Eric Mangini got more results from less talent.

Agree Pat Hill transformed Fresno State when he became a HC, and had them ranked as one of the top college teams for a couple seasons. He did produce some pretty good NFL talent too
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