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TheMantobeat


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenney wrote:
Lions: Matt Stafford isn't nearly as good as he was being made out prior to this season. They have no defense past their defensive line and their offensive line is mediocre at best.

Saints: Next to no talent on defense. No head coach, no interim head coach, and the psychological affects of a tumultuous offseason.


I disagree with ur stafford analogy I think he's playing fine, whats killing us on offense are crucial dropped passes, Pettigrew had 2 chances to catch a td last week he just can't catch a problem he's had his whole career, and johnson also had multiple dropped passes that game mainly because he had just taken a head shot but still stafford threw it were johnson could catch it and it went right through his hands. And the lack of a run game doesn't help like you said they do have one of the worst run blocking o lines in football, i don't blame leshore at all for the pathetic run game we had last week cause i was at the game and u could tell there was never any holes open for him to run through and the one time there was one he was so surprised he forgot to hold on to the ball.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I disagree with ur stafford analogy
...analogy? Neutral
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The Saints defense has plenty of talent. We just have zero at DE in terms of pass rush. Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are good LB, Jabari Greer is a good CB, Patrick Robinson is playing good football and has shown flashes of brilliance, Brodrick Bunkley and Cameron Jordan are both elite run stoppers. We just have absolutely no one except Roman Harper that can provide a pass rush and when your SS is the best pass rusher on your team...you have issues
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lions are simply not good. They surprised everyone last year by getting out to a 5-0 start and since then they have gone 6-10. They are no different than last years Bills, or any other team that has a stretch of weeks when they play out of their minds, only to come back down to the norm.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nbanflguy wrote:
The Lions are simply not good. They surprised everyone last year by getting out to a 5-0 start and since then they have gone 6-10. They are no different than last years Bills, or any other team that has a stretch of weeks when they play out of their minds, only to come back down to the norm.


Lions ST simply are not good! They are seven ST play from being 3-1

Defense has been fine for most part. Offense too.

28 pts allowed on ST two weeks is pathetic
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

detfan782004 wrote:
Nbanflguy wrote:
The Lions are simply not good. They surprised everyone last year by getting out to a 5-0 start and since then they have gone 6-10. They are no different than last years Bills, or any other team that has a stretch of weeks when they play out of their minds, only to come back down to the norm.


Lions ST simply are not good! They are seven ST play from being 3-1

Defense has been fine for most part. Offense too.

28 pts allowed on ST two weeks is pathetic


The Defense is:
26th in opposing Qb comp %
18th in YPA
32nd in interceptions
26th in QB rating
15th in sacks
16th in rushing ypc
15th in takeways

So I guess they have been either average to below average against offenses led by Sam Bradford, Alex Smith, Jake Locker, and Christian Ponder. Good luck the rest of the year
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nbanflguy wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Nbanflguy wrote:
The Lions are simply not good. They surprised everyone last year by getting out to a 5-0 start and since then they have gone 6-10. They are no different than last years Bills, or any other team that has a stretch of weeks when they play out of their minds, only to come back down to the norm.


Lions ST simply are not good! They are seven ST play from being 3-1

Defense has been fine for most part. Offense too.

28 pts allowed on ST two weeks is pathetic


The Defense is:
26th in opposing Qb comp %
18th in YPA
32nd in interceptions
26th in QB rating
15th in sacks
16th in rushing ypc
15th in takeways

So I guess they have been either average to below average against offenses led by Sam Bradford, Alex Smith, Jake Locker, and Christian Ponder. Good luck the rest of the year


Where did the Packers defense rank in these statistics last season?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nbanflguy wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Nbanflguy wrote:
The Lions are simply not good. They surprised everyone last year by getting out to a 5-0 start and since then they have gone 6-10. They are no different than last years Bills, or any other team that has a stretch of weeks when they play out of their minds, only to come back down to the norm.


Lions ST simply are not good! They are seven ST play from being 3-1

Defense has been fine for most part. Offense too.

28 pts allowed on ST two weeks is pathetic


The Defense is:
26th in opposing Qb comp %
18th in YPA
32nd in interceptions
26th in QB rating
15th in sacks
16th in rushing ypc
15th in takeways

So I guess they have been either average to below average against offenses led by Sam Bradford, Alex Smith, Jake Locker, and Christian Ponder. Good luck the rest of the year


Det beat an underrated Stl team who just killed Ari

Barely lost to a SF team who shredded GB
Barely lost to Min team who shredded SF

Only bad loss is to Ten with those dumb ST plays
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

detfan782004 wrote:
Nbanflguy wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
Nbanflguy wrote:
The Lions are simply not good. They surprised everyone last year by getting out to a 5-0 start and since then they have gone 6-10. They are no different than last years Bills, or any other team that has a stretch of weeks when they play out of their minds, only to come back down to the norm.


Lions ST simply are not good! They are seven ST play from being 3-1

Defense has been fine for most part. Offense too.

28 pts allowed on ST two weeks is pathetic


The Defense is:
26th in opposing Qb comp %
18th in YPA
32nd in interceptions
26th in QB rating
15th in sacks
16th in rushing ypc
15th in takeways

So I guess they have been either average to below average against offenses led by Sam Bradford, Alex Smith, Jake Locker, and Christian Ponder. Good luck the rest of the year


Det beat an underrated Stl team who just killed Ari

Barely lost to a SF team who shredded GB
Barely lost to Min team who shredded SF

Only bad loss is to Ten with those dumb ST plays


Precisely.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Barely lost to a SF team who shredded GB
Come on, man, you can't honestly expect us to believe that game was close. SF dominated.
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Am I the only one who realizes that the Lions the week Prior gave up 44 points? 27 in week 2? The Lions are currently giving up 28.5 ppg, 5th worst in the league. They are 1 of only 2 teams w/o an INT, they've only created 3 TOs, hell they have only defended 11 passes, only 2 teams are worse. They are allowing 66% of passes to be completed against them and allowing 101.3 QBR. If you honestly believe that Detroit's D isn't a problem, what game are you watching?


21 of those 44 were not scored against the defense.

I think Detroit has a middle of the road defense. With an offense like they had last year they would be 301, even with the historically bad ST play.
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You didnt barely lose to SF and Minnesota.
Against SF you scored a td with a minute left to cut a 15 point lead down to 8 and against Min you scored a td with 2 minutes left to cut a 14 point lead down to 7. Neither game were you a real threat to win it

You did "barely" beat the Rams though
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BlackandBlue wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Am I the only one who realizes that the Lions the week Prior gave up 44 points? 27 in week 2? The Lions are currently giving up 28.5 ppg, 5th worst in the league. They are 1 of only 2 teams w/o an INT, they've only created 3 TOs, hell they have only defended 11 passes, only 2 teams are worse. They are allowing 66% of passes to be completed against them and allowing 101.3 QBR. If you honestly believe that Detroit's D isn't a problem, what game are you watching?


21 of those 44 were not scored against the defense.

I think Detroit has a middle of the road defense. With an offense like they had last year they would be 301, even with the historically bad ST play.


How can they be a middle of the road defense? They were a horrific defense last year and they made no improvements this year. They just havent played any great offenses yet
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BlackandBlue wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Am I the only one who realizes that the Lions the week Prior gave up 44 points? 27 in week 2? The Lions are currently giving up 28.5 ppg, 5th worst in the league. They are 1 of only 2 teams w/o an INT, they've only created 3 TOs, hell they have only defended 11 passes, only 2 teams are worse. They are allowing 66% of passes to be completed against them and allowing 101.3 QBR. If you honestly believe that Detroit's D isn't a problem, what game are you watching?


21 of those 44 were not scored against the defense.

I think Detroit has a middle of the road defense. With an offense like they had last year they would be 301, even with the historically bad ST play.


Exactly. Quickly learning haters simply haven't looked at actually game. Boxscore fail 101.

28 PTs allowed on special teams means defense allowed a ton.

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Nbanflguy wrote:
You didnt barely lose to SF and Minnesota.
Against SF you scored a td with a minute left to cut a 15 point lead down to 8 and against Min you scored a td with 2 minutes left to cut a 14 point lead down to 7. Neither game were you a real threat to win it

You did "barely" beat the Rams though

You do realize the Lions had cut it to a 1 score game with over 9 minutes left, but the defense couldn't get a stop, right? Yes, it would be kind of ridiculous to act like it was really close if they had only cut it to a 1 score game with less than 2 minutes left, but in reality they spent more time in the 4th quarter down by 1 score than 2. I wouldn't say they were a real threat to win, but it was closer than your comment makes it out to be.
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