If Browns go 0-7; I Think Shurmur is Fired Immediately

[FLAbrownfan]

[DawgX]

Shurmur won't be fired in the middle of the season. What would be the point in that? He could be fired at the end of the season, but I don't think it's a sure thing. How many head coaches would be successful coaching a team filled with such young and inexperienced players? Not many. I think I would probably be sort of indifferent if he's fired. I think he could become a respectable head coach but then again, there could be better options out there.

Really, as long as Heckert remains the GM then I'll be happy.
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[KamTrus20]

The biggest difference between Indianapolis, Miami and other bad teams finding ways to win and the Browns not finding a way to win is not on coaching. I don't think some of you even watch other teams outside of our game. The only difference is those teams have legit NFL secondaries and we don't period. We have by far the worst secondary in the league. QBs hardly even have to try to find guys wide open because it happens on every play and most times its more than one guy wide open. Every CB on this team except Haden is pathetic. Every saftey on this team is pathetic except Ward and he is no cover man. As good as Jackson is he is still a very bad coverage linebacker. Scott Fujita couldn't run with a tackle eligable. Kaluka Maiava doesn't have a clue.

You need to be able to defend the pass to win no matter how many points your offense scores and we can't cover a good college passing attack.
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[ReggieCamp]

I don't think Shurmur will be fired immediately, but it's getting harder to defend him.

The playcalling overall was OK, but all it takes is a couple headscratchers to lose a game that you should win. I'm certainly not blaming this loss solely on Shurmur, but he still struggles with adjusting to the flow of the game. Playcalling is always an easy target, and I almost always give the playcaller the benefit of the doubt, but Shurmur does at least a couple boneheaded moves every game.

And now, for me, the worst part..... he seems to have started the finger-pointing, while mildly throwing players under the bus. That's pretty much the only way he could lose the locker room, so I hope he wises up.

On a semi-related note, this was the first time I was sorely dissatisfied with Jauron's game plan. The execution was worse than the game plan, and I know he tried to scheme around key guys being out, but we were thoroughly thrashed on defense. Disappointing.
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[Reginaldm9]

[KamTrus20]

[candyman93]

Seeing our garbage secondary makes me appreciate Haden
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[fsubrowns9510]

[ReggieCamp]

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I'm defending Shumur. He should remain HC. Here's why.

-the Defense suffers mostly b/c of injuries and suspension.

Now, I know this is a part of every NFL team. There is a difference though. We not only have several starters out of defense, they are our BEST players on defense. Haden is a top 5 CB by anyone's standards. DQ is a pro bowl worthy MLB. Gocong can play WLB with the best of them and is vicious in the run game. Rubin is the most underrated DT in the league. Phil Taylor is a athletic phenom at 335 lbs.

To run salt into the wound, the backups at these critical positions are 6th, 7th and udrafted free agents.

- The offense has struggled mostly due to inexperience.

You can't do anything about that except coach, and wait. A rookie QB, RB, RT, and WRx2. a second year player/starter at LG, RG, FB, WR, and TE.

The only experience on offense is at LT, C, TE, and backups. And this is while tying to install one of the most complicated offensive systems there is.

This whole team needs time. 3 years is time. Not 21 games.
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[BwickBrownie]

I know I'm late to this party, but count me in the group who thinks Shurmur should be gone sooner than the offseason. I feel like I'm fully capable of seperating bad player play and injuries from Shurmur's performance, and I still just can't justify him being a head coach in the nfl. For those of you who've seen "The Replacements", yesterday was exactly what Keanu Reeves character was talking about when he mentioned quicksand (and for those of you who haven't seen it, let me know what it's like to have deprived yourself of such greatness). The players got a 14 point lead and I'm sure were extremely anxious to protect it, so when they started watching the secondary get chewed up, that's when they fell in the quicksand and instead of having a head coach / leader to work his magic and bail them out, they looked and saw Shurmur right there next to them. Also, as evidenced by the post game presser, I think Shurmur has let the pressure get to him, which is not what these young players need. I'm for bringing down Chilly and handing him the reigns.

I've agreed with many of you that blowing it up every two years isn't the answer, but I've also reminded myself that no one is perfect, so it is possible that Shurmur just wasnt the answer. I think at this point, there's a sunk cost in Shurmur that people are just not willing to give up, just like someone whose stock has tanked and they want to hold onto it in the hopes that it turns around and nets them their money back, instead of cutting their losses.

[fsubrowns9510]

One thing is for sure, I'm sick of having this conversation every year or two.
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