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NPBrowns


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

BocaRatonBrown1 wrote:
All things being equal Browns landed several quality FA over the years

Jamir Miller
Kevin Shaffer
Eric Steinbach
Orpheous Roye
LeCharles Bentley
Hank Fraley
the DB from Baltimore that tor both his knees,
Earl Holmes
Corey Williams
Shaun Rodgers
Gocong
Sheldon Brown
Rickey Dudley
Jeff Garcia 5y $50mill?
Antonio Bryant 1k yards Dallas cut him
Reuben Droughns
Trent Dilfer
Brian Russel
Kenard Lang
Derick Anderson
Joe Jurevicius
Terrelle Smith
Jamal Lewis
Robaire Smith
Ted Washington
Donta Stalworth
Willie McGinest


Corey Williams was traded to us for a 2nd round pick
Gocong and Sheldon were also traded for draft picks
Browns claimed DA off waivers from Baltimore
Reuben Droughns was traded for some players
Shaun Rogers traded for Leigh Bodden and 3rd round pick

They were not FAs. We had to give up players/draft picks for them

That takes out a very large chunk of those players listed that were any good.

LeCharles Bentley never played a down for us
Gary Baxter the CB from Baltimore blew out both knees
Jeff Garcia was an abortion
Rickey Dudley, Earl Holmes, Trent Dilfer, Brian Russell, Terrelle Smith, Donte Stallworth....really? Those are good FA signings?

The only ones from this list that somewhat decent signings were Jamir Miller(even though only lasted 3 years with us), Steinbach, & Jamal Lewis (three season as well)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estonianzulu wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
Yeah. We couldn't afford to overpay anyone with the absurd amount of cap room we are not using.


And in three years when we have guys we want and expansions we want to offer but are saddled with crappy free agency contracts?


This. I'm glad they didn't massively overpay for an above average receiver like Garcon.

I want the Browns to sign free agents, but when they're closer to being legitimate contenders. Let the young guys play and see what the Browns have in them. Once they're closer to competing, then they can sign a couple of good free agents. Hopefully they sign someone such as Byrd or another top free safety and a good guard this offseason.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will give a name from a few years ago that still bums me out that we didn't get. Nate Clements...The guy went to cheap a-- Cincy and has been a solid starter for a few years now. I'm not sure about his contract, but he didn't break the bank. This is the type of veteran that plays a premier position, that could have helped this team.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

big poppa pump wrote:
I will give a name from a few years ago that still bums me out that we didn't get. Nate Clements...The guy went to cheap a-- Cincy and has been a solid starter for a few years now. I'm not sure about his contract, but he didn't break the bank. This is the type of veteran that plays a premier position, that could have helped this team.


First he went to the Niners on a very expensive contract. After the Niners let him go he signed a much cheaper contract with the Bengals.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unrelated, but how is philly the third youngest team and 16 mil under the cap? It's impressive, I know that.

Is this Banner and Heckerts doing? Reid?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cattleman78 wrote:
big poppa pump wrote:
I will give a name from a few years ago that still bums me out that we didn't get. Nate Clements...The guy went to cheap a-- Cincy and has been a solid starter for a few years now. I'm not sure about his contract, but he didn't break the bank. This is the type of veteran that plays a premier position, that could have helped this team.


First he went to the Niners on a very expensive contract. After the Niners let him go he signed a much cheaper contract with the Bengals.


Exactly.....I don't know if I would have wanted him if it was going to cost what the niners paid. I'm talking about getting a veteran that still might have production left that won't cost a ton. He is a solid starter at a reasonable price.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cattleman78 wrote:
big poppa pump wrote:
I will give a name from a few years ago that still bums me out that we didn't get. Nate Clements...The guy went to cheap a-- Cincy and has been a solid starter for a few years now. I'm not sure about his contract, but he didn't break the bank. This is the type of veteran that plays a premier position, that could have helped this team.


First he went to the Niners on a very expensive contract. After the Niners let him go he signed a much cheaper contract with the Bengals.



And at the time, we were in a bidding War with SF....and at the time Nate Clements got the largest contract for a Defensive player in NFL history.....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kelbot wrote:
Unrelated, but how is philly the third youngest team and 16 mil under the cap? It's impressive, I know that.

Is this Banner and Heckerts doing? Reid?


They draft well.....

One of the biggest steal in the draft is them getting Bradnon Boykin the CB out of UGA when they did......the eagles get players like that every year it seems...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

Estonianzulu wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:

The Browns need solid starters. Guys that can come in and fill the holes in the roster so that the young guys can learn and develop with out getting crushed and losing each week...


Like who?

Would you rather have Benjamin getting reps at WR, or Laurent Robinson? Or current free agent and absolutely bad WR Lee Evans?

If you are going to be bad, its better to be bad with young developmental players who could be good rather than overpaid, under-talented free agents who wont be here in 3 years?


You don't find it sad that every year we are talking about "giving reps" instead of actually trying to be competitive.

I think a lot of the FA's this past year were garbage and I am glad we didn't over spend for them, but for crying out loud, we are the worst team in pro football, not adding a single notable FA has to be looked at as a mistake. We are seriously fielding a AAA team right now. Are there guys on AAA teams that eventually become great? Sure, but an NFL schedule is anything but a AAA schedule. We aren't very good at all. I just don't like this attitude that it's just fine and dandy for us to use every season as a practice run.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

NPBrowns wrote:


Corey Williams was traded to us for a 2nd round pick
Gocong and Sheldon were also traded for draft picks
Browns claimed DA off waivers from Baltimore
Reuben Droughns was traded for some players
Shaun Rogers traded for Leigh Bodden and 3rd round pick

They were not FAs. We had to give up players/draft picks for them

That takes out a very large chunk of those players listed that were any good.

LeCharles Bentley never played a down for us
Gary Baxter the CB from Baltimore blew out both knees
Jeff Garcia was an abortion
Rickey Dudley, Earl Holmes, Trent Dilfer, Brian Russell, Terrelle Smith, Donte Stallworth....really? Those are good FA signings?

The only ones from this list that somewhat decent signings were Jamir Miller(even though only lasted 3 years with us), Steinbach, & Jamal Lewis (three season as well)


Terrelle Smith was actually pretty good though
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

Ether wrote:
NPBrowns wrote:


Corey Williams was traded to us for a 2nd round pick
Gocong and Sheldon were also traded for draft picks
Browns claimed DA off waivers from Baltimore
Reuben Droughns was traded for some players
Shaun Rogers traded for Leigh Bodden and 3rd round pick

They were not FAs. We had to give up players/draft picks for them

That takes out a very large chunk of those players listed that were any good.

LeCharles Bentley never played a down for us
Gary Baxter the CB from Baltimore blew out both knees
Jeff Garcia was an abortion
Rickey Dudley, Earl Holmes, Trent Dilfer, Brian Russell, Terrelle Smith, Donte Stallworth....really? Those are good FA signings?

The only ones from this list that somewhat decent signings were Jamir Miller(even though only lasted 3 years with us), Steinbach, & Jamal Lewis (three season as well)


Terrelle Smith was actually pretty good though


Agree to disagree on that one. 2 seasons at FB then cut.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

NPBrowns wrote:


Agree to disagree on that one. 2 seasons at FB then cut.


It's fullback so it's like a revolving door by nature back there man. He led the way for a Reuben Droughns 1,000 yard season, that's enough for me.
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Smith was a pimp
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contracts that expire this year and 2012 cap hit according to Spotrac rounded off.

1. S. Brown 5.44 million
2. S. Fujita 4.75 million
3. J. Cribbs 2.68 million
4. B. Jackson r.b. 2.25 million
5. B. Watson 5 million
6. J. Parker d.e. 3 million
7. P. Dawson 3.8 million
That totals about 26.8 coming off the cap for 2013. Out of this group the only one I'd really be mad about not resigning is P. Dawson. He is already the highest paid kicker and a three year 12-13 million contract should get it done. I can't see many teams offering him more and he is more valuable to the Browns. Resigning him for 4 million a year does not hurt our cap much.

The site also lists dead cap money that totals 6.2 million from players like Steinbach,Wallace,Pashos,Evan Moore and Robiskie. I don't know if that gives us another 6.2 million to spend or not.

Contracts and what year the player becomes a free agent. Just our major players.
1. J. Thomas 2019
2. J. Haden 2015
3. A. Mack 2014
4. A. Rubin 2015
5. T.J. Ward 2014
6. J. Sheard 2015
7. D. Jackson 2016

So the only two players we should extend next year are Mack and possibly Ward.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to add to above column we have 18.9 already in cap space this year. So to spend where the collective bargaining agreement says we need to get to we are going to have to extend and sign a few free agents I.M.O.
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