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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is this a thread and why do people continue to write in it? Wink
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DaMike wrote:
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I was a fan of Amerson as a CB after last season but having seen more of him this year I wouldn’t draft him to play CB for us…not because of his lack of speed & certainly not because his ball skills wouldn’t be an asset to us but because he isn’t tough or physical enough against the run when tackling from the CB position…playing MLB he would be ran over on every play even if he did add weight because he doesn’t have the midset to play in the box…Amerson is a zone CB on a team who play plenty of off coverage and don’t ask there CBs to make many tackles or more likely a ballhawking centerfielder at FS.
Amerson could definitely play CB for us. This he can't tackle talk is nonsense. Also who would move a CB that cant tackle to FS?


As usual you read what you want to read…I didn’t say he couldn’t tackle…I said he isn’t physical enough when tackling…Lovie has always valued physical CBs…look at Tillman and especially Jennings who doesn’t have size but is very physical…Amerson doesn’t play with that mentality.
He is tough and physical enough. He may not be Tillman but you don't have to be.


32 college games…2 TFL…1 FF…he doesn’t have to be Tillman but he has to be more physical than that if he is going to fit into our defensive identity…no one is doubting his coverage ability but we all know we ask our CBs to play a certain way and IMO Amerson hasn’t shown much of that in college…maybe he can learn to be more physical at the next level…maybe not.
Laughing at his TFL and FF #'s. Are you implying with those low numbers that he doesn't create enough plays? Scheme has more to do with TFL. Plenty of people are questioning his coverage ability. He's plenty physical for a CB.


He doesn’t create plays against the run…and yeah scheme can have an impact…but so cannot play the run real well…also people are questioning his long speed because he was burned deep twice against Tennessee…but his coverage instincts shouldn’t be in question…as I said IMO he isn’t overly physical and not on the same level as our current CBs when it comes to physicality.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
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I was a fan of Amerson as a CB after last season but having seen more of him this year I wouldn’t draft him to play CB for us…not because of his lack of speed & certainly not because his ball skills wouldn’t be an asset to us but because he isn’t tough or physical enough against the run when tackling from the CB position…playing MLB he would be ran over on every play even if he did add weight because he doesn’t have the midset to play in the box…Amerson is a zone CB on a team who play plenty of off coverage and don’t ask there CBs to make many tackles or more likely a ballhawking centerfielder at FS.
Amerson could definitely play CB for us. This he can't tackle talk is nonsense. Also who would move a CB that cant tackle to FS?


As usual you read what you want to read…I didn’t say he couldn’t tackle…I said he isn’t physical enough when tackling…Lovie has always valued physical CBs…look at Tillman and especially Jennings who doesn’t have size but is very physical…Amerson doesn’t play with that mentality.
He is tough and physical enough. He may not be Tillman but you don't have to be.


32 college games…2 TFL…1 FF…he doesn’t have to be Tillman but he has to be more physical than that if he is going to fit into our defensive identity…no one is doubting his coverage ability but we all know we ask our CBs to play a certain way and IMO Amerson hasn’t shown much of that in college…maybe he can learn to be more physical at the next level…maybe not.
Laughing at his TFL and FF #'s. Are you implying with those low numbers that he doesn't create enough plays? Scheme has more to do with TFL. Plenty of people are questioning his coverage ability. He's plenty physical for a CB.


He doesn’t create plays against the run…and yeah scheme can have an impact…but so cannot play the run real well…also people are questioning his long speed because he was burned deep twice against Tennessee…but his coverage instincts shouldn’t be in question…as I said IMO he isn’t overly physical and not on the same level as our current CBs when it comes to physicality.
Well as far as being as physical I'd say he's close enough to Jennings. I feel he's physical enough to play CB for us. As far as his long speed that has always been his biggest issue and why I've never felt he was a top 10 pick. He isn't a great athlete. He's a guy I would consider with our first round pick if he plays like he did last season. He's not looking to hot this year though. Look good against FSU though.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think you can just play DBs at MLB and expect them to perform like Urlacher.

Urlacher is unique in that he's a large, super-athletic football player who worked as a linebacker his first two years at New Mexico, and then remained at linebacker while working extensively on his coverage skills for the rest of his college career. He's unquestionably multi-dimensional.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember Urlacher being a Safety in college, so I was thinking along the lines of another tall player from the secondary who might do very well as a MLB in the Bears scheme. It was an inquiry into whether you guys thought that we would give up dominance in the run game for a great pass defence with a player who has, as has been shown by his picks last year, very good ball skills, a great zone defence player and has the size but maybe not the strength to play MLB.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urlachers just about as replaceable as Aunt Gary's carrot cake on Halloween. Let's get Trindon Holliday, for s&g's
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Aren't there any Butkus or Bednarik top listers in the Big Ten? NU or ND would be very nice. A bit of an attitude would be ideal. Wink
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For what it's worth (and it's not worth much), early mocks have Manti Te'o going to the Bears. Notre Dame's players have been so awful once they hit the pros as of late, though... Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For what it's worth (and it's not worth much), early mocks have Manti Te'o going to the Bears. Notre Dame's players have been so awful once they hit the pros as of late, though... Confused


I'm not a massive fan of Te'o myself but I don't think he is your average ND player of the last few years.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IronMike84 wrote:
For what it's worth (and it's not worth much), early mocks have Manti Te'o going to the Bears. Notre Dame's players have been so awful once they hit the pros as of late, though... Confused


I'm not a massive fan of Te'o myself but I don't think he is your average ND player of the last few years.


Te'o plays with the emotion we will desperately need on this team. Urlacher doesnt even look like he cares anymore.
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TytybearsFan21 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
For what it's worth (and it's not worth much), early mocks have Manti Te'o going to the Bears. Notre Dame's players have been so awful once they hit the pros as of late, though... Confused


I'm not a massive fan of Te'o myself but I don't think he is your average ND player of the last few years.


Te'o plays with the emotion we will desperately need on this team. Urlacher doesnt even look like he cares anymore.
He leads by example. He is very vocal just not in a rah rah type of way.
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TytybearsFan21 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
For what it's worth (and it's not worth much), early mocks have Manti Te'o going to the Bears. Notre Dame's players have been so awful once they hit the pros as of late, though... Confused


I'm not a massive fan of Te'o myself but I don't think he is your average ND player of the last few years.


Te'o plays with the emotion we will desperately need on this team. Urlacher doesnt even look like he cares anymore.


Dude cares...he's just not guy who screams all the time...he doesn't have to be...he is respected for his actions.
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Madmike90 wrote:
TytybearsFan21 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
For what it's worth (and it's not worth much), early mocks have Manti Te'o going to the Bears. Notre Dame's players have been so awful once they hit the pros as of late, though... Confused


I'm not a massive fan of Te'o myself but I don't think he is your average ND player of the last few years.


Te'o plays with the emotion we will desperately need on this team. Urlacher doesnt even look like he cares anymore.


Dude cares...he's just not guy who screams all the time...he doesn't have to be...he is respected for his actions.


I mean, he just jogs everywhere now. Costs us 3 yards more on average.
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TytybearsFan21 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
TytybearsFan21 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
For what it's worth (and it's not worth much), early mocks have Manti Te'o going to the Bears. Notre Dame's players have been so awful once they hit the pros as of late, though... Confused


I'm not a massive fan of Te'o myself but I don't think he is your average ND player of the last few years.


Te'o plays with the emotion we will desperately need on this team. Urlacher doesnt even look like he cares anymore.


Dude cares...he's just not guy who screams all the time...he doesn't have to be...he is respected for his actions.


I mean, he just jogs everywhere now. Costs us 3 yards more on average.


That’s not because he doesn’t care…that’s because his knee is shot.
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DaMike wrote:
TytybearsFan21 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
For what it's worth (and it's not worth much), early mocks have Manti Te'o going to the Bears. Notre Dame's players have been so awful once they hit the pros as of late, though... Confused


I'm not a massive fan of Te'o myself but I don't think he is your average ND player of the last few years.


Te'o plays with the emotion we will desperately need on this team. Urlacher doesnt even look like he cares anymore.
He leads by example. He is very vocal just not in a rah rah type of way.


Please..hes Hawaiian..


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