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Who Will Win?
Patriots
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Seahawks
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Tooki


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
terbo559 wrote:
imani wrote:
tonyto3690 wrote:
I find it hilarious Seahawks fans would rather have Bruce Irvin over Chandler Jones.


Why?

Agree. It's not really funny. It's just that Seattle needed a linebacker and not a defensive end.


..........Bruce Irvin plays defensive end in Seattle


We needed a speed rusher to compliment Chris Clemons. Irvin is going to replace Clemons as our LEO once he moves on from the team. Irvin is (arguably) the best pass rusher in the draft.

We also needed speed on our D, and Irvin has a ton of that.

Chandler Jones is not the kind of player that we need at the position.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbperk wrote:
Tooki wrote:
And Okung shut down Clay Matthews and Demarcus Ware. Two guys who I consider to be better than Chandler Jones.


Those two players might be better players than Chandler, they also play a different position, they're LB's not a DE.


They're also both pass rushers. Okung isn't better or worse against 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seahawks home record since 2008: 15-17.

Since 2007: 22-16
Since 2006: 27-19
Since 2005: 35-19
Since 2004: 40-22

12th man clearly overrated. Wink

(That's a safety wink.)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Oypus wrote:
Seahawks home record since 2008: 15-17.

Since 2007: 22-16
Since 2006: 27-19
Since 2005: 35-19
Since 2004: 40-22

12th man clearly overrated. Wink

(That's a safety wink.)


Going back any number of years, the Pats have a better record on the road than the Seahawks do at home.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A stat I think would be interesting is the difference between their win% at home and on the road, compared to other teams in the nfl over the last few seasons.

Don't have any classes tomorrow, so I might try to put something together.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Random stat that I'm stealing without confirming:
The Pats have never lost to two NFC teams in the same season under Belichick. The only time the Pats had two NFC losses in one season, it was the same team. And that was last year.
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Jaymun wrote:
A stat I think would be interesting is the difference between their win% at home and on the road, compared to other teams in the nfl over the last few seasons.

Don't have any classes tomorrow, so I might try to put something together.


No need to. Sando posted this a few days ago on ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/77678/inside-slant-making-home-field-edge-matter

Seahawks have 3rd biggest differential since 2002.

As you've noted, just looking at Seahawk home wins without seeing how they've done on the road as a previous poster did, is pretty meaningless.

The Seahawks, until last year, were a truly horrible team for a few years. Their home record was mediocre for a few years there because they just sucked.
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Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez is expected to make the trip with his teammates to Seattle, which means he will play for first time since week 2


http://twitter.com/NFL_RealUpdates/statuses/256771850309357568
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

imani wrote:
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Chandler is already top-5 among 4-3 ends against the run. Irvin has only been in on 19 running downs and has not made a single stop yet.

It's pretty clear who the better all-around player is.


So why wouldn't seattle rather have Irvin? We're not in the market for a player like jones. What we needed was a player like Irvin, who can clean up the coverage sacks and provide elite speed from the secondary PR position. Jones IS a better all-round player. But we didn't need an all around player. We needed elite athleticism and speed from a pure pass rusher, another 4-3 end was the last thing we could use to help this defense. When you already have a stacked dline, you draft specialists to turn weaknesses into strengths. We haven't need to irvin to clean up in the run game, we're still an elite top-3 Run D

So far, irvin is flourishing in the position we're putting him in. I don't think jones would be doing as well in the same role, the same way i don't think Bruce would be a good fit for the patriots as a 4-3 end. It's quite simple.


That's pure justification for your pick. You always draft the best available player at the position.

That's like saying "Well we have Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, so instead of drafting Rob Gronkowski's clone, we're going to draft Jermichael Finley".
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love to see Hernandez back on the field, but at the same time I'd rather him take it slow and heal properly.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tonyto3690 wrote:
imani wrote:
Tzimisce wrote:
Chandler is already top-5 among 4-3 ends against the run. Irvin has only been in on 19 running downs and has not made a single stop yet.

It's pretty clear who the better all-around player is.


So why wouldn't seattle rather have Irvin? We're not in the market for a player like jones. What we needed was a player like Irvin, who can clean up the coverage sacks and provide elite speed from the secondary PR position. Jones IS a better all-round player. But we didn't need an all around player. We needed elite athleticism and speed from a pure pass rusher, another 4-3 end was the last thing we could use to help this defense. When you already have a stacked dline, you draft specialists to turn weaknesses into strengths. We haven't need to irvin to clean up in the run game, we're still an elite top-3 Run D

So far, irvin is flourishing in the position we're putting him in. I don't think jones would be doing as well in the same role, the same way i don't think Bruce would be a good fit for the patriots as a 4-3 end. It's quite simple.


That's pure justification for your pick. You always draft the best available player at the position.

That's like saying "Well we have Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, so instead of drafting Rob Gronkowski's clone, we're going to draft Jermichael Finley".


That's a bit of a reach in your argument. Wasn't the question on why Seattle would prefer Irvin? He answered the question

Also, you don't have to justify the rookie sack leader and a DROY candidate
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Sandman55 wrote:

As you've noted, just looking at Seahawk home wins without seeing how they've done on the road as a previous poster did, is pretty meaningless.


Shhhh, I was using selective data to make a point.
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#Patriots have ruled out Safety Steve Gregory and LB Tracy White for the #Seahawks game. Not Aaron Hernandez who likely made the trip.


http://twitter.com/NFL_RealUpdates/statuses/256867203079622656
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tonyto3690 wrote:
imani wrote:
Tzimisce wrote:
Chandler is already top-5 among 4-3 ends against the run. Irvin has only been in on 19 running downs and has not made a single stop yet.

It's pretty clear who the better all-around player is.


So why wouldn't seattle rather have Irvin? We're not in the market for a player like jones. What we needed was a player like Irvin, who can clean up the coverage sacks and provide elite speed from the secondary PR position. Jones IS a better all-round player. But we didn't need an all around player. We needed elite athleticism and speed from a pure pass rusher, another 4-3 end was the last thing we could use to help this defense. When you already have a stacked dline, you draft specialists to turn weaknesses into strengths. We haven't need to irvin to clean up in the run game, we're still an elite top-3 Run D

So far, irvin is flourishing in the position we're putting him in. I don't think jones would be doing as well in the same role, the same way i don't think Bruce would be a good fit for the patriots as a 4-3 end. It's quite simple.


That's pure justification for your pick. You always draft the best available player at the position.

That's like saying "Well we have Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, so instead of drafting Rob Gronkowski's clone, we're going to draft Jermichael Finley".


According to who? According to our FO, Bruce Irvin was the best available player at that point in the draft. The only players that they had over Irvin were Luke Kuechly and Mark Barron (who were already picked) Our FO doesn't go off the ESPN Big Board, and it has worked brilliantly so far.

Also our scheme is selective. And it is a pure justification for the pick, that is the exact reason why we drafted him.
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