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Wolverine_Joe
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 Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:25 am Post subject: what's the deal with Tony Dungy? |
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this man can't hide his hate.
another Pats bashing in the national TV, saying we are just an average .500 team. and he gave that 'i'm a good guy, and i'm right' look yet again. yes, we are very average at the moment, but man he just can't hide it. i bet watching us choke just made his day.
i used to have a mad respect for this guy, but man he really starts to p!ss me off. |
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:36 am Post subject: Re: what's the deal with Tony Dungy? |
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| Wolverine_Joe wrote: | this man can't hide his hate.
another Pats bashing in the national TV, saying we are just an average .500 team. and he gave that 'i'm a good guy, and i'm right' look yet again. yes, we are very average at the moment, but man he just can't hide it. i bet watching us choke just made his day.
i used to have a mad respect for this guy, but man he really starts to p!ss me off. |
I loathe Tony Dungy for a number of reasons but he's absolutely right.
The Patriots are an average .500 team.
Nothing controversial about that. I think we're past the point in the season where we can write off a loss as "bad luck" or "bad refs".
At this point it's blatantly obvious that there are a number of fatal and systemic flaws in both the execution and roster management (or coaching, depending on who you feel deserves the blame for the secondary). Even if they were 5-1 at this point (say Gostkowksi doesn't miss that FG and they pull off one of the Ravens/Seattle games in the last second) I would be similarly discouraged about the product on the field. Maybe a bit more optimistic with regards to the playoffs because 5-1 would have them situated nicely for a bye which is very important. But there are huge problems with this team which if they go unsolved are going to lead to the most disappointing year since 2002.
They're 3-3, the same record as the Jets, Bills and Dolphins. That's just nauseating at this point in the season, given the Pats schedule so far. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Ask Rab Rab for his op....  |
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Wolverine_Joe
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:45 am Post subject: Re: what's the deal with Tony Dungy? |
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | Wolverine_Joe wrote: | this man can't hide his hate.
another Pats bashing in the national TV, saying we are just an average .500 team. and he gave that 'i'm a good guy, and i'm right' look yet again. yes, we are very average at the moment, but man he just can't hide it. i bet watching us choke just made his day.
i used to have a mad respect for this guy, but man he really starts to p!ss me off. |
I loathe Tony Dungy for a number of reasons but he's absolutely right.
The Patriots are an average .500 team.
Nothing controversial about that. I think we're past the point in the season where we can write off a loss as "bad luck" or "bad refs".
At this point it's blatantly obvious that there are a number of fatal and systemic flaws in both the execution and roster management (or coaching, depending on who you feel deserves the blame for the secondary). Even if they were 5-1 at this point (say Gostkowksi doesn't miss that FG and they pull off one of the Ravens/Seattle games in the last second) I would be similarly discouraged about the product on the field. Maybe a bit more optimistic with regards to the playoffs because 5-1 would have them situated nicely for a bye which is very important. But there are huge problems with this team which if they go unsolved are going to lead to the most disappointing year since 2002.
They're 3-3, the same record as the Jets, Bills and Dolphins. That's just nauseating at this point in the season, given the Pats schedule so far. |
it's ok to say pats are avg. we are friggin avg for sure. but the way he said it was just wrong. i mean you can see how he despises the Pats. |
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:56 am Post subject: Re: what's the deal with Tony Dungy? |
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| Wolverine_Joe wrote: | | mcmurtry86 wrote: | | Wolverine_Joe wrote: | this man can't hide his hate.
another Pats bashing in the national TV, saying we are just an average .500 team. and he gave that 'i'm a good guy, and i'm right' look yet again. yes, we are very average at the moment, but man he just can't hide it. i bet watching us choke just made his day.
i used to have a mad respect for this guy, but man he really starts to p!ss me off. |
I loathe Tony Dungy for a number of reasons but he's absolutely right.
The Patriots are an average .500 team.
Nothing controversial about that. I think we're past the point in the season where we can write off a loss as "bad luck" or "bad refs".
At this point it's blatantly obvious that there are a number of fatal and systemic flaws in both the execution and roster management (or coaching, depending on who you feel deserves the blame for the secondary). Even if they were 5-1 at this point (say Gostkowksi doesn't miss that FG and they pull off one of the Ravens/Seattle games in the last second) I would be similarly discouraged about the product on the field. Maybe a bit more optimistic with regards to the playoffs because 5-1 would have them situated nicely for a bye which is very important. But there are huge problems with this team which if they go unsolved are going to lead to the most disappointing year since 2002.
They're 3-3, the same record as the Jets, Bills and Dolphins. That's just nauseating at this point in the season, given the Pats schedule so far. |
it's ok to say pats are avg. we are friggin avg for sure. but the way he said it was just wrong. i mean you can see how he despises the Pats. |
Yeah, it's weird. He got the last laugh by beating the Pats in the 2006 AFCCG (which ended the era of the Patriots being clutch or "winners" in that sense and ushered in the half decade+ of epic chokes). I'd guess maybe it's a personal grudge with Belichick. |
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NextBigThing
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Ok, I think Seattle deserves SOME credit. They did have the leagues #1 defense. We havent really lost to any bad teams, and all the losses have been last minute. We clearly have flaws, but we are also clearly an above average team, regardless if we are .500 atm.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Marshall Faulk effect?
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Also, I disagree with mcmurtry. The Patriots definitely aren't as good as they have been in the past, but they are slightly better than average IMO. Any time you lose three games by a total of four points, especially when one of them was the result of awful officiating, I think you've proven to be better than average.
This team still reminds me a bit of the 2010 Green Bay Packers. Let's hope that we can continue improving.
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Tzimisce
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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He's got self-righteousness down to a science. I guess that's one of the perks of having been a do-nothing coach. You get to quietly walk away without making a single controversial move and then criticize more active coaches who are clearly your betters from your comfy perch in the analysts' booth whenever they make a move that doesn't pay off.
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Tzimisce
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| rabbisson wrote: |
Also, I disagree with mcmurtry. The Patriots definitely aren't as good as they have been in the past, but they are slightly better than average IMO. Any time you lose three games by a total of four points, especially when one of them was the result of awful officiating, I think you've proven to be better than average.
This team still reminds me a bit of the 2010 Green Bay Packers. Let's hope that we can continue improving. |
that Packers team had Charles Woodson and Nick Collins in its secondary.That's the critical difference.
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TomRalph
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Tzimisce wrote: | | rabbisson wrote: |
Also, I disagree with mcmurtry. The Patriots definitely aren't as good as they have been in the past, but they are slightly better than average IMO. Any time you lose three games by a total of four points, especially when one of them was the result of awful officiating, I think you've proven to be better than average.
This team still reminds me a bit of the 2010 Green Bay Packers. Let's hope that we can continue improving. |
that Packers team had Charles Woodson and Nick Collins in its secondary.That's the critical difference. |
and en ever improving Tramon Williams...
Damnit, I really want a competent player in our Secondary.
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terbo559
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I see nothing wrong about Dungy's comment. We probably have the best offense, but poor defense and lack of consistency makes the team just average. Our record shows it.
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mcmurtry86
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| rabbisson wrote: | Any time you lose three games by a total of four points, especially when one of them was the result of awful officiating, I think you've proven to be better than average.
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People like saying this "lose three games by a total of four points" but losses are losses. These losses are coming in situations where the Pats have the lead late in the game (or in the Arizona case, have the ability to win).
Given how many games this team has choked away (7 games lost since 2009 where they had the lead with 5 or fewer minutes), I wouldn't be so cavalier about dismissing these losses. It's not like they're dropping the occasional back and forth shootout to the early-mid 2000's Colts. These are games where the team's fundamental and IMO fatal flaws are popping up and it's been such a recurring theme that simply passing it off as "well they could have easily won those games" is silly.
Of course they could have won those games. But their recent history, dating back to SB42 is almost entirely filled with games they could have or should have won (excluding the 2008 non-Brady season). That is who this team is. And I don't see any reason to think it will stop being the case.
This is a team that isn't going to get blown out often when healthy. Maybe a team like Houston or Green Bay could (not necessarily would) but that's the exception. So most of their losses are going to be close and this team's incompetence in the 4th quarter isn't something that should be glossed over.
Honestly, I'd (in a way) feel better if this team was losing by more points or because of a different problem. That it's been the same problem plaguing this team for years tells me that the coaching staff doesn't know how to fix it and/or the current personnel simply isn't able to. |
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Troy Brown
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I agree with McMurtry a thousand percent. How confident does anyone feel at the end of games anymore? It's awful.
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TomRalph
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Troy Brown wrote: | | I agree with McMurtry a thousand percent. How confident does anyone feel at the end of games anymore? It's awful. |
I didn't even feel confident with a 21 point margin vs Denver. We only won that game because MacGahee forgot how to play the position of RB.
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