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AKRNA


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

champ+jay+al=SB wrote:
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champ+jay+al=SB wrote:
I mean besides Eddie's three touchdowns or whatever, he was not good. If you think opposing teams were scared of Royal as a return man, you are wrong. One of the best in the AFC?

Desean Jackson.............that's all I think about when I think about Eddie Royal.


Gotta disagree with you. Eddies a solid returner, quite good actually.

11.9 average per return is really good.

Rick Upchurch(about the best I've ever seen) had a career 12.1 avg and scored 8 PR TD's. Thats 2.3 per 80 returns. Eddies just a hair behind with 2.0 per 80.

True, he's not as Electric as Upchurch but almost as effective.


Okay, I'm fine calling him solid. I'm surprised by that statistic because I predominantly remember him falling forward with a weak return more often than not. I'm just going off what I remember from 3-4 years of watching him, I haven't looked at the statistics.


DeSean Jackson's career avg is 10.6 YPR. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really liked Eddie, honestly I think he was underutilized as a returner. Wish we would have used him a lot more.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AKRNA wrote:
champ+jay+al=SB wrote:
AKRNA wrote:
champ+jay+al=SB wrote:
I mean besides Eddie's three touchdowns or whatever, he was not good. If you think opposing teams were scared of Royal as a return man, you are wrong. One of the best in the AFC?

Desean Jackson.............that's all I think about when I think about Eddie Royal.


Gotta disagree with you. Eddies a solid returner, quite good actually.

11.9 average per return is really good.

Rick Upchurch(about the best I've ever seen) had a career 12.1 avg and scored 8 PR TD's. Thats 2.3 per 80 returns. Eddies just a hair behind with 2.0 per 80.

True, he's not as Electric as Upchurch but almost as effective.


Okay, I'm fine calling him solid. I'm surprised by that statistic because I predominantly remember him falling forward with a weak return more often than not. I'm just going off what I remember from 3-4 years of watching him, I haven't looked at the statistics.


DeSean Jackson's career avg is 10.6 YPR. Wink


Pssssh I wanted him on the other side of Brandon. Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So yes. Eddie was a very good return man (when healthy.) I can list multiple long returns he had while in Denver if you'd like. My point of my first post was to point out that its ridiculous to bash Eddie Royal while giving props to Holliday based on a good pre-season.
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I think the point to be made between Leonhard and Holliday is, that if Holliday returns the punt from around the 10, the Broncos will get the ball around the 20; with Leonhard the Broncos would get it around the 15.

I was kind of disappointed in Leonhard because he isn't a good returner at all, He fair catches everything and goes sideways on his returns. However, I was confident that he wouldn't cough the ball up. The Broncos have enough problems with McGahee and Bey Bey having a case of the yips, and Manning throwing picks...having Leonhard back there at least assures that the Broncos will at least get one play off from scrimmage. Yet, I do think Holliday has the ability to take a punt return the distance...however, I am not sure if he is a fumbler or not...hell if he is...he is a perfect fit for the Broncos.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

champ+jay+al=SB wrote:
AKRNA wrote:
champ+jay+al=SB wrote:
AKRNA wrote:
champ+jay+al=SB wrote:
I mean besides Eddie's three touchdowns or whatever, he was not good. If you think opposing teams were scared of Royal as a return man, you are wrong. One of the best in the AFC?

Desean Jackson.............that's all I think about when I think about Eddie Royal.


Gotta disagree with you. Eddies a solid returner, quite good actually.

11.9 average per return is really good.

Rick Upchurch(about the best I've ever seen) had a career 12.1 avg and scored 8 PR TD's. Thats 2.3 per 80 returns. Eddies just a hair behind with 2.0 per 80.

True, he's not as Electric as Upchurch but almost as effective.


Okay, I'm fine calling him solid. I'm surprised by that statistic because I predominantly remember him falling forward with a weak return more often than not. I'm just going off what I remember from 3-4 years of watching him, I haven't looked at the statistics.


DeSean Jackson's career avg is 10.6 YPR. Wink


Pssssh I wanted him on the other side of Brandon. Shocked Shocked


Cutler would still be throwing it to the wrong people. Would be scary though.
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He has made a lot of mistakes with the Texans. Turnovers, bad reads, bad decisions to take the ball out. His last game he was a bit of a scapegoat as he did not have very good blocking(Texans miss Derrick Ward in this regard, the slow Tyler Clutts is a poor substitute). But he hasn't been good at all in the regular season so far.

Maybe he's worth giving a shot but I'm not particularly a big fan. I generally don't like having pure return specialists, they're often a waste of a roster spot.
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He has made a lot of mistakes with the Texans. Turnovers, bad reads, bad decisions to take the ball out. His last game he was a bit of a scapegoat as he did not have very good blocking(Texans miss Derrick Ward in this regard, the slow Tyler Clutts is a poor substitute). But he hasn't been good at all in the regular season so far.

Maybe he's worth giving a shot but I'm not particularly a big fan. I generally don't like having pure return specialists, they're often a waste of a roster spot.


Anyone else see this guy getting cut yet ?? Nice first impressions...
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I love this signing. How long has it been since we have had a legitimate TD scoring threat in our return game? (That's a serious question. I literally can't think of one. And dont say Eddie Royal he had 1 good return game.)

Holliday will help us hugely in the return game and can probably if properly utilized be a nice change of pace weapon on offense.

OVerall great move!!


The Texans cut him because he was ineffective as a returner. Just saying.
While true, he gives us a threat though, something Leonard wasn't at PR.


He wasn't a threat to turn it over either
. I understand what people are saying, but I hope we don't learn the hard way that a safe KR/PR isn't always a bad thing.


"Hate to say I told you so".

Nice to know you, Trindon.
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lomaxgr wrote:
lomaxgr wrote:
broncosfan07 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Mile High wrote:
I love this signing. How long has it been since we have had a legitimate TD scoring threat in our return game? (That's a serious question. I literally can't think of one. And dont say Eddie Royal he had 1 good return game.)

Holliday will help us hugely in the return game and can probably if properly utilized be a nice change of pace weapon on offense.

OVerall great move!!


The Texans cut him because he was ineffective as a returner. Just saying.
While true, he gives us a threat though, something Leonard wasn't at PR.


He wasn't a threat to turn it over either
. I understand what people are saying, but I hope we don't learn the hard way that a safe KR/PR isn't always a bad thing.


"Hate to say I told you so".

Nice to know you, Trindon.


Good call! Applause Applause
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't cut and Fox took some of the blame off him.
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Yeah, he's getting another chance.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/10/16/trindon-holliday-job-broncos-punt-returner/16327/

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So, John Fox was asked Tuesday afternoon, would Holliday get another shot?

“Oh yeah,” Fox said. “In defense of him, we could have done a better job of vicing the gunner in that situation. Their guy pushed our guy into him a little bit. That’s why it wasn’t a foul. It wasn’t all his fault.”
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was the fumble his fault? From the articles I read it seems like a player was blocked into him.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No player was blocked into him but their player got about as close (and lucky) as you can get.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reaver wrote:
Yeah, he's getting another chance.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/10/16/trindon-holliday-job-broncos-punt-returner/16327/

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So, John Fox was asked Tuesday afternoon, would Holliday get another shot?

“Oh yeah,” Fox said. “In defense of him, we could have done a better job of vicing the gunner in that situation. Their guy pushed our guy into him a little bit. That’s why it wasn’t a foul. It wasn’t all his fault.”


This is why Fox is a good coach, he backs up his guys...As a player you want to play hard for a guy like that, him sticking up for Trindon is a great way to instill confidence in players. A lot of coaches would have just cut him and say "see ya".
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