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| Dr. Philly wrote: | | KhanYouDigIt wrote: | | CRAIG KIMBREL GOT ROBBED |
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They shouldn't. Prior should have beat Gagne in 2003.
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Pitcher: Total Points(1st place votes)
Dickey: 209(27)
Kershaw: 96(2)
Gonzalez: 93(1)
Cueto: 75(1)
Kimbrel: 41(1)
Cain: 22
Lohse: 6
Chapman: 1
Hamels: 1
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KhanYouDigIt
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63 IP, 27 H, 7 ER, 14 BB, 116 K
1.01 ERA, 0.65 WHIP, 16.66 K/9, 8.29 K/BB, .126 BAA, .186 OBP, .172 SLG, .358 OPS
HE FACED 231 BATTERS, HE STRUCK OUT 116 OF THEM, MORE THAN HALF!
He was the most dominant pitcher in baseball. Fact.
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BrownieTheElf
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| KhanYouDigIt wrote: | 63 IP, 27 H, 7 ER, 14 BB, 116 K
1.01 ERA, 0.65 WHIP, 16.66 K/9, 8.29 K/BB, .126 BAA, .186 OBP, .172 SLG, .358 OPS
HE FACED 231 BATTERS, HE STRUCK OUT 116 OF THEM, MORE THAN HALF!
He was the most dominant pitcher in baseball. Fact. |
Yep. Good thing they have the Rolaids Relief Award.
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| KhanYouDigIt wrote: | 63 IP, 27 H, 7 ER, 14 BB, 116 K
1.01 ERA, 0.65 WHIP, 16.66 K/9, 8.29 K/BB, .126 BAA, .186 OBP, .172 SLG, .358 OPS
HE FACED 231 BATTERS, HE STRUCK OUT 116 OF THEM, MORE THAN HALF!
He was the most dominant pitcher in baseball. Fact. |
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7487&position=P
Not even close. Jack Egbert didn't allow a SINGLE BATTER TO REACH BASE. WHOMG!
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green24
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| KhanYouDigIt wrote: | 63 IP, 27 H, 7 ER, 14 BB, 116 K
1.01 ERA, 0.65 WHIP, 16.66 K/9, 8.29 K/BB, .126 BAA, .186 OBP, .172 SLG, .358 OPS
HE FACED 231 BATTERS, HE STRUCK OUT 116 OF THEM, MORE THAN HALF!
He was the most dominant pitcher in baseball. Fact. |
Kimbrel allowed 7 ER in 63 IP. Dickey allowed 71 ER in 233.2 IP.
The MLB average ERA was 4.01 in 2012, meaning that the average pitcher would give up 28 ER in 63 IP and 104 ER in 233.2 IP.
This means that Kimbrel saved approximately 21 earned runs, while Dickey saved approximately 33 earned runs.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| green24 wrote: | | Mesa_Titan wrote: | | mse326 wrote: | | Mesa_Titan wrote: | Smh... MLB voters really are bag of rocks stupid.  |
I think Kershaw should have won, but this is hardly a bad decision. |
How can it not be a bad decision if you think someone else should have won?
Kershaw had him on everything but BB/9 and 6 more IP. It's a joke. Kershaw was the clear winner. |
R.A. Dickey
5 Complete Games
3 Shutouts
26 Quality Starts
Clayton Kershaw
2 Complete Games
2 Shutouts
25 Quality Starts |
Not sure if srs.
Strikeouts are a sign of dominance. Kershaw had more of them. ||
Dumb argument is dumb.
Kershaw had the K/9, ERA, FIP, xFIP, and WAR advantage. He wins.
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Relievers shouldn't even be in the argument for Cy Young. Get out of here.
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| coltsmanic808 wrote: | | Relievers shouldn't even be in the argument for Cy Young. Get out of here. |
But Starting pitchers can win MVP?
Interesting, interesting.
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green24
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Mesa_Titan wrote: | | green24 wrote: | | Mesa_Titan wrote: | | mse326 wrote: | | Mesa_Titan wrote: | | Smh... MLB voters really are bag of rocks stupid. |
I think Kershaw should have won, but this is hardly a bad decision. |
How can it not be a bad decision if you think someone else should have won?
Kershaw had him on everything but BB/9 and 6 more IP. It's a joke. Kershaw was the clear winner. |
R.A. Dickey
5 Complete Games
3 Shutouts
26 Quality Starts
Clayton Kershaw
2 Complete Games
2 Shutouts
25 Quality Starts |
Not sure if srs.
Strikeouts are a sign of dominance. Kershaw had more of them. ||
Dumb argument is dumb.
Kershaw had the K/9, ERA, FIP, xFIP, and WAR advantage. He wins. |
Those stats don't work as well with knuckleballers and other nonconventional pitchers.
And Dickey had one more strikeout than Kershaw. So any difference between them in strikeouts is really negligible.
If you take out Dickey's one start in the rain (knuckleballers can't pitch in the rain), his ERA is 2.47.
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ramssuperbowl99
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| green24 wrote: | | Mesa_Titan wrote: | | green24 wrote: | | Mesa_Titan wrote: | | mse326 wrote: | | Mesa_Titan wrote: | | Smh... MLB voters really are bag of rocks stupid. |
I think Kershaw should have won, but this is hardly a bad decision. |
How can it not be a bad decision if you think someone else should have won?
Kershaw had him on everything but BB/9 and 6 more IP. It's a joke. Kershaw was the clear winner. |
R.A. Dickey
5 Complete Games
3 Shutouts
26 Quality Starts
Clayton Kershaw
2 Complete Games
2 Shutouts
25 Quality Starts |
Not sure if srs.
Strikeouts are a sign of dominance. Kershaw had more of them. ||
Dumb argument is dumb.
Kershaw had the K/9, ERA, FIP, xFIP, and WAR advantage. He wins. |
Those stats don't work as well with knuckleballers and other nonconventional pitchers.
And Dickey had one more strikeout than Kershaw. So any difference between them in strikeouts is really negligible.
If you take out Dickey's one start in the rain (knuckleballers can't pitch in the rain), his ERA is 2.47. |
The fact that he can't pitch in the rain is a knock against his value, so taking out that start isn't being honest at all.
Saying stuff like, "knucklers can't pitch with the wind at their back" or in the rain, or whatever is completely dishonest because at some point during the season your knuckleballer is going to have to pitch in those adverse conditions.
This decreases his value.
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| Its A Sabotage wrote: | | coltsmanic808 wrote: | | Relievers shouldn't even be in the argument for Cy Young. Get out of here. |
But Starting pitchers can win MVP?
Interesting, interesting. |
I mean, if they are more valuable. Simple...a RP can never garner enough value to be more valuable than the leagues best SPs.
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ramssuperbowl99
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| nfldraftguru1 wrote: | | Its A Sabotage wrote: | | coltsmanic808 wrote: | | Relievers shouldn't even be in the argument for Cy Young. Get out of here. |
But Starting pitchers can win MVP?
Interesting, interesting. |
I mean, if they are more valuable. Simple...a RP can never garner enough value to be more valuable than the leagues best SPs. |
Unless you start going for 2 out saves and getting him 100+ IP.
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| ramssuperbowl99 wrote: | | nfldraftguru1 wrote: | | Its A Sabotage wrote: | | coltsmanic808 wrote: | | Relievers shouldn't even be in the argument for Cy Young. Get out of here. |
But Starting pitchers can win MVP?
Interesting, interesting. |
I mean, if they are more valuable. Simple...a RP can never garner enough value to be more valuable than the leagues best SPs. |
Unless you start going for 2 out saves and getting him 100+ IP. |
Out or Inning?
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| mse326 wrote: | | ramssuperbowl99 wrote: | | nfldraftguru1 wrote: | | Its A Sabotage wrote: | | coltsmanic808 wrote: | | Relievers shouldn't even be in the argument for Cy Young. Get out of here. |
But Starting pitchers can win MVP?
Interesting, interesting. |
I mean, if they are more valuable. Simple...a RP can never garner enough value to be more valuable than the leagues best SPs. |
Unless you start going for 2 out saves and getting him 100+ IP. |
Out or Inning? |
Inning.
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