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floppyflaps
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The Bucs defense was still good when he left Tampa, it was the main reason that they won the divison in 2007, and had a chance to win the division/make the playoffs in 2008. It was only bad in the last 4 games after he announced that he was leaving.
Just like some good college coaches can't succeed in the NFL, some NFL coaches can't succeed in college. It's a different game and different kind of coaching involved.
You don't get 10+ years of a top 10 defense by being a bad defensive coordinator. He didn't even use the Tampa 2 that much during the last few years that he was in the NFL. He didn't have that much talent left either on those teams. None of those players are still starting in the NFL other than Ronde Barber.
Honestly I think that Kiffin can come back and be a top defensive coordinator in this league. |
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Gruden and Kiffin!
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chris00cm
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Panthers would be a good fit for him, that's for sure. Titans and Bills would also be a good fit.
They have the personnel for a cover 2. I'm having problems finding another good fit.
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Tom Shean
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Kiffin was a Dungy hire though, and didn't he have a bust up with Gruden at some point? Right before they left?
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| Tom Shean wrote: | | Kiffin was a Dungy hire though, and didn't he have a bust up with Gruden at some point? Right before they left? |
Yes, in 2008, Kiffin wanted to announce leaving to coach with his son mid-season, but Gruden wouldn't allow it because he thought it would create a distraction. Kiffin became a lame-duck coach and the defense under-performed as the team lost 4 straight and missed the playoffs. First 9-3 team to do that ever.
I don't know the full story, but some say before the season, Gruden and Kiffin were having some problems with each other, which could explain why the events unfolded like they did. I highly doubt they'll agree to coach with each other.
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It's gotta be the Bills.... Wilson, Nix and Gailey need someone they can relate to. Breaking News: Ralph Wilson stadium is being renamed Geriatrics Field and will be giving out flu shots to the elderly on Mondays.
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JaguarCrazy2832
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should have just stayed with Lane
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Kiffin is the man and I would love to see him get a personal spot in Tampa.
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| floppyflaps wrote: | The Bucs defense was still good when he left Tampa, it was the main reason that they won the divison in 2007, and had a chance to win the division/make the playoffs in 2008. It was only bad in the last 4 games after he announced that he was leaving.
Just like some good college coaches can't succeed in the NFL, some NFL coaches can't succeed in college. It's a different game and different kind of coaching involved.
You don't get 10+ years of a top 10 defense by being a bad defensive coordinator. He didn't even use the Tampa 2 that much during the last few years that he was in the NFL. He didn't have that much talent left either on those teams. None of those players are still starting in the NFL other than Ronde Barber.
Honestly I think that Kiffin can come back and be a top defensive coordinator in this league. |
Seriously, his defense was a consistent top-10 defense until those last 4 games in 2008 when he and every player knew he was leaving. And the college game is much different than the NFL game. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bucs take him back.
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| 5nick5 wrote: | | floppyflaps wrote: | The Bucs defense was still good when he left Tampa, it was the main reason that they won the divison in 2007, and had a chance to win the division/make the playoffs in 2008. It was only bad in the last 4 games after he announced that he was leaving.
Just like some good college coaches can't succeed in the NFL, some NFL coaches can't succeed in college. It's a different game and different kind of coaching involved.
You don't get 10+ years of a top 10 defense by being a bad defensive coordinator. He didn't even use the Tampa 2 that much during the last few years that he was in the NFL. He didn't have that much talent left either on those teams. None of those players are still starting in the NFL other than Ronde Barber.
Honestly I think that Kiffin can come back and be a top defensive coordinator in this league. |
Seriously, his defense was a consistent top-10 defense until those last 4 games in 2008 when he and every player knew he was leaving. And the college game is much different than the NFL game. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bucs take him back. |
You do realize he had potentially 3 HOF players and without a doubt two (Sapp/Brooks) while coaching those TB defenses right? I'm not kocking what he did as a DC but lets not act like he was coaching a bunch of scrubs either.
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Malik
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| Nabbs4u wrote: | | 5nick5 wrote: | | floppyflaps wrote: | The Bucs defense was still good when he left Tampa, it was the main reason that they won the divison in 2007, and had a chance to win the division/make the playoffs in 2008. It was only bad in the last 4 games after he announced that he was leaving.
Just like some good college coaches can't succeed in the NFL, some NFL coaches can't succeed in college. It's a different game and different kind of coaching involved.
You don't get 10+ years of a top 10 defense by being a bad defensive coordinator. He didn't even use the Tampa 2 that much during the last few years that he was in the NFL. He didn't have that much talent left either on those teams. None of those players are still starting in the NFL other than Ronde Barber.
Honestly I think that Kiffin can come back and be a top defensive coordinator in this league. |
Seriously, his defense was a consistent top-10 defense until those last 4 games in 2008 when he and every player knew he was leaving. And the college game is much different than the NFL game. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bucs take him back. |
You do realize he had potentially 3 HOF players and without a doubt two (Sapp/Brooks) while coaching those TB defenses right? I'm not kocking what he did as a DC but lets not act like he was coaching a bunch of scrubs either. |
Five all-pro players including Ronde Barber and Simeon Rice. |
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| Nabbs4u wrote: | | 5nick5 wrote: | | floppyflaps wrote: | The Bucs defense was still good when he left Tampa, it was the main reason that they won the divison in 2007, and had a chance to win the division/make the playoffs in 2008. It was only bad in the last 4 games after he announced that he was leaving.
Just like some good college coaches can't succeed in the NFL, some NFL coaches can't succeed in college. It's a different game and different kind of coaching involved.
You don't get 10+ years of a top 10 defense by being a bad defensive coordinator. He didn't even use the Tampa 2 that much during the last few years that he was in the NFL. He didn't have that much talent left either on those teams. None of those players are still starting in the NFL other than Ronde Barber.
Honestly I think that Kiffin can come back and be a top defensive coordinator in this league. |
Seriously, his defense was a consistent top-10 defense until those last 4 games in 2008 when he and every player knew he was leaving. And the college game is much different than the NFL game. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bucs take him back. |
You do realize he had potentially 3 HOF players and without a doubt two (Sapp/Brooks) while coaching those TB defenses right? I'm not kocking what he did as a DC but lets not act like he was coaching a bunch of scrubs either. |
None of them were All-Pros or Hall of Famers when Kiffin installed the Tampa two. In fact all of them had pretty major question marks. Brooks was way too small, Sapp was a head-case, Lynch was a reckless head-hunter, Ronde was way too small and way too slow. Never doubt the effect Monte had on that defense and on defenses around the league. Also, a lot of players from that team will flat out tell you that towards the tail-end of the glory years when Gruden was trying his darndest to rip that locker room apart Monte was the only thing that kept it together.
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| sayheykid wrote: | | Nabbs4u wrote: | | 5nick5 wrote: | | floppyflaps wrote: | The Bucs defense was still good when he left Tampa, it was the main reason that they won the divison in 2007, and had a chance to win the division/make the playoffs in 2008. It was only bad in the last 4 games after he announced that he was leaving.
Just like some good college coaches can't succeed in the NFL, some NFL coaches can't succeed in college. It's a different game and different kind of coaching involved.
You don't get 10+ years of a top 10 defense by being a bad defensive coordinator. He didn't even use the Tampa 2 that much during the last few years that he was in the NFL. He didn't have that much talent left either on those teams. None of those players are still starting in the NFL other than Ronde Barber.
Honestly I think that Kiffin can come back and be a top defensive coordinator in this league. |
Seriously, his defense was a consistent top-10 defense until those last 4 games in 2008 when he and every player knew he was leaving. And the college game is much different than the NFL game. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bucs take him back. |
You do realize he had potentially 3 HOF players and without a doubt two (Sapp/Brooks) while coaching those TB defenses right? I'm not kocking what he did as a DC but lets not act like he was coaching a bunch of scrubs either. |
None of them were All-Pros or Hall of Famers when Kiffin installed the Tampa two. In fact all of them had pretty major question marks. Brooks was way too small, Sapp was a head-case, Lynch was a reckless head-hunter, Ronde was way too small and way too slow. Never doubt the effect Monte had on that defense and on defenses around the league. Also, a lot of players from that team will flat out tell you that towards the tail-end of the glory years when Gruden was trying his darndest to rip that locker room apart Monte was the only thing that kept it together. |
Never said he wasn't responsible for any of their success but to think none of those players you listed wouldn't have had any success playing for another team is straight crazy. Big difference in talent working with Sapp. Brooks, Lynch and Barber then say making Mike Patterson, Casey Mathews, Kurt Coleman and Joselo Hanson future All Pro's and HOF. Let be honest.
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vikingsrule
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| Kiffin could return to the Vikings and coach the DBs or LBs. I like Alan Williams as the DC. His cover 2 scheme is a dying scheme, I think the Bears and Vikings are probably the only remaining teams who run similarl versions of his original scheme. |
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