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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:27 pm    Post subject: Tagliabue “vacates all player discipline” Reply with quote

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From the Twitter account of NFL spokesman Greg Aiello comes the league’s statement regarding the outcome of the bounty appeal hearing.

The players have won. We think.

“Tagliabue affirms factual findings of Commissioner Goodell concludes Hargrove, Smith, Vilma “engaged in conduct detrimental” and vacates all player discipline,” Aiello says, using “and” where perhaps “but” would have been the better choice.

Regardless, the suspensions imposed on Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma, Saints defensive end Will Smith, Browns linebacker Scott Fujita, and free-agent defensive end Anthony Hargrove have been overturned.

He also offers this quote from former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, who issued the ruling: “Unlike Saints’ broad organizational misconduct, player appeals involve sharply focused issues of alleged individual player misconduct in several different aspects. My affirmation of Commissioner Goodell’s findings could certainly justify the issuance of fines. However, this entire case has been contaminated by the coaches and others in the Saints’ organization.”

In other words, Tagliabue had decided that the players should not be punished, even though he thinks they did something wrong.


Very confusing, but seems like the Players won this one!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So. Basically. Vilma lied and did have a bounty. Goodell can fine them, but not suspend them because the organization and coaches should do better? Did I catch that right?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
So. Basically. Vilma lied and did have a bounty. Goodell can fine them, but not suspend them because the organization and coaches should do better? Did I catch that right?
Not really sure, that article is really confusing. Waiting for some more info to come out soon
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have got to be kidding? So basically they get away with a slap on the wrist because the Saints organization didn't stop them? That just doesn't make any sense the fact that the team was letting these actions occur doesn't justify the conduct of the players. Oh well, at least karma reared its head and is seemingly going to keep the saints out of the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport wrote:
Paul Tagliabue vacates all suspensions on Saints bounty case, even though he concurs with facts found by league re: Vilma, Smith, Hargrove


Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN wrote:


Tagilabue also found "more than enough evidence to support" finding that Jonathan Vilma had a bounty on Brett Favre.


Mike Triplett ‏@TripTP wrote:


Some good news for #Saints players, but Tagliabue seems to be making strong attempt to slam door shut on any possible attempts for Payton...


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically he's saying the coaches and management are taking fault because they started it and the players are being "let off" because they were just doing what their bosses told them too. Meh, whatever. Vilma and Will Smith suck anyway, It'd probably help the Saints to have them suspended.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reward these cowards for their bounty. Good job.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boy, doesn't everybody miss the Paul Tagliabue era?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So... they are guilty, and walk away free?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like players won't get suspended, just fined.
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Estonianzulu wrote:
Boy, doesn't everybody miss the Paul Tagliabue era?
If Goodell is the devil, Tags is the SUPER Devil. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the point that it's more of an organisational issue but it's just such a weird verdict.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tags is saying he can't find any evidence, but the players are guilty and suspensions vacated
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pookie wrote:
Tags is saying he can't find any evidence, but the players are guilty and suspensions vacated

Thats not true, at all. He said he found plenty of evidence BUT its a management/coach problem, the players weren't AS responsible as them hence why they're just being fined while the coaches are still suspended and we still lose the draft picks.
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