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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't care. The life threatening effects happened AFTER the game.


So, uh, an actual human being said this.

John Wilkes Booth was innocent. Lincoln didn't die until AFTER he left the theater. Rolling Eyes


Not to mention the fact that Lincoln himself ordered Booth to do it. But noooooo, no one likes to bring that up.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/gregg-williams-testified-he-wanted-to-stop-bounty-program-but-that-vitt-said-no/
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Gregg Williams testified he wanted to stop bounty program, but that Vitt said no


....The money quote, per the AP, comes from the testimony of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who claims that he tried to stop the bounty program after the 2009 season, but that assistant head coach Joe Vitt insisted that it continue.

Specifically, Vitt said that Commissioner Roger Goodell “wasn’t going to . . . tell us to . . . stop doing what won us the Super Bowl,”
and that “[t]his has been going on in the . . . National Football League forever, and it will go on here forever, when they run [me] out of there, it will still go on.”

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/gregg-williams-testified-he-wanted-to-stop-bounty-program-but-that-vitt-said-no/
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Gregg Williams testified he wanted to stop bounty program, but that Vitt said no


....The money quote, per the AP, comes from the testimony of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who claims that he tried to stop the bounty program after the 2009 season, but that assistant head coach Joe Vitt insisted that it continue.

Specifically, Vitt said that Commissioner Roger Goodell “wasn’t going to . . . tell us to . . . stop doing what won us the Super Bowl,”
and that “[t]his has been going on in the . . . National Football League forever, and it will go on here forever, when they run [me] out of there, it will still go on.”


Yeah I saw that.

Is this just coming out? Seems like curious timing by Williams, no? Time for all these guys to start turning on each other.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make it all go away. I don't care anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being penalized for legal hits are still lol worthy. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatriotsWin! wrote:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/gregg-williams-testified-he-wanted-to-stop-bounty-program-but-that-vitt-said-no/
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Gregg Williams testified he wanted to stop bounty program, but that Vitt said no


....The money quote, per the AP, comes from the testimony of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who claims that he tried to stop the bounty program after the 2009 season, but that assistant head coach Joe Vitt insisted that it continue.

Specifically, Vitt said that Commissioner Roger Goodell “wasn’t going to . . . tell us to . . . stop doing what won us the Super Bowl,”
and that “[t]his has been going on in the . . . National Football League forever, and it will go on here forever, when they run [me] out of there, it will still go on.”

selective quoting doesn't tell the whole story though.

the next paragraph reads -

"The assertion seems more than a bit far-fetched. Williams was the defensive coordinator, and Vitt was the linebackers coach. Though Vitt also was the assistant head coach, Williams ran the defense. Besides, if Williams disagreed with Vitt, Williams should have gone to head coach Sean Payton. Based on what we’ve heard from folks connected to the process, there are likely bigger land mines lurking in the pages than a facially nonsensical suggestion by Williams that a guy he outranks successfully pulled rank."
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/gregg-williams-testified-he-wanted-to-stop-bounty-program-but-that-vitt-said-no/
Quote:

Gregg Williams testified he wanted to stop bounty program, but that Vitt said no


....The money quote, per the AP, comes from the testimony of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who claims that he tried to stop the bounty program after the 2009 season, but that assistant head coach Joe Vitt insisted that it continue.

Specifically, Vitt said that Commissioner Roger Goodell “wasn’t going to . . . tell us to . . . stop doing what won us the Super Bowl,”
and that “[t]his has been going on in the . . . National Football League forever, and it will go on here forever, when they run [me] out of there, it will still go on.”

selective quoting doesn't tell the whole story though.

the next paragraph reads -

"The assertion seems more than a bit far-fetched. Williams was the defensive coordinator, and Vitt was the linebackers coach. Though Vitt also was the assistant head coach, Williams ran the defense. Besides, if Williams disagreed with Vitt, Williams should have gone to head coach Sean Payton. Based on what we’ve heard from folks connected to the process, there are likely bigger land mines lurking in the pages than a facially nonsensical suggestion by Williams that a guy he outranks successfully pulled rank."


What you're quoting is the blogger's opinion. I'm just quoting what was said in the transcript.
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Goodell began preliminary talks to reinstate Sean Payton.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8741588/roger-goodell-begins-reinstatement-talks-new-orleans-saints-coach-sean-payton


damage control


Now THAT I did not see coming.

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I think its more about getting him set up to begin contract talks so that Jerry doesn't swoop in before Benson gets the chance to pay the man. Assuming the saints don't make the playoffs (a pretty fair assumption) then Payton becomes the immediate target for JJ as soon as the season is over. Payton has done everything the NFL asked of him so I have no problem w/ them ending his suspension once the Saints season is over.


Jerrah would still have to wait until after the Super Bowl regardless; that's when Payton becomes a FA. The Saints can have discussions whenever, but Payton is holding off on signing for now. Who knows why. That's my understanding, at least.
Actually coaches are not held to the same standards as players, as soon as the season's over, it's over. If Payton was not reinstated until after the SuperBowl he would become an immediate FA and there would be no bargaining position for Benson as JJ is almost assuredly going to offer more money than Benson can afford to.

Says who? Benson did just drop half a billion dollars on the Pelicans. Safe to say he can afford to give Payton a large contract.
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Also, in regards to the whole Payton situation. I love that the main argument is "Payton sees how much of a mess the Saints are this year!" And then the next argument is "So he's going to leave...for Dallas" Laughing Laughing
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Says who? Benson did just drop half a billion dollars on the Pelicans.

I still can't get over that name. My goodness...the Pelicans. What the deuce? Laughing
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Being penalized for legal hits are still lol worthy. Laughing


Except they aren't being penalized for anything to do with the hits whatsoever -- that's not what this is about.

That'd be like saying a player taking steroids is "getting penalized for working out".
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Being penalized for legal hits are still lol worthy. Laughing

They aren't being penalized for legal hits. They're being penalized for offering rewards for injuring players. The actual hits or whether guys got injured isn't really relevant to Goodell's argument. Simply offering a reward specifically for injuring another player is detrimental to the game.
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Also, in regards to the whole Payton situation. I love that the main argument is "Payton sees how much of a mess the Saints are this year!" And then the next argument is "So he's going to leave...for Dallas" Laughing Laughing
I don't think it will have anything to do w/ the status of the Saints if he goes to Dallas, I think it will be a) b/c JJ offers him more money/control, and b) to be closer to his family (who lives in Dallas). Not to mention the prestige that comes w/ being the Cowboys head man. Essential to Payton going tho would be that JJ gives him final say on personnel.
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Also, in regards to the whole Payton situation. I love that the main argument is "Payton sees how much of a mess the Saints are this year!" And then the next argument is "So he's going to leave...for Dallas" Laughing Laughing
I don't think it will have anything to do w/ the status of the Saints if he goes to Dallas, I think it will be a) b/c JJ offers him more money/control, and b) to be closer to his family (who lives in Dallas). Not to mention the prestige that comes w/ being the Cowboys head man. Essential to Payton going tho would be that JJ gives him final say on personnel.

Benson can pay whatever JJ does and control? Really? He practically runs the Saints and JJ gives his head coaches very little control. The only reason Payton would leave for Dallas is for his family, but I still don't see him doing it.
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Also, in regards to the whole Payton situation. I love that the main argument is "Payton sees how much of a mess the Saints are this year!" And then the next argument is "So he's going to leave...for Dallas" Laughing Laughing
I don't think it will have anything to do w/ the status of the Saints if he goes to Dallas, I think it will be a) b/c JJ offers him more money/control, and b) to be closer to his family (who lives in Dallas). Not to mention the prestige that comes w/ being the Cowboys head man. Essential to Payton going tho would be that JJ gives him final say on personnel.

Benson can pay whatever JJ does and control? Really? He practically runs the Saints and JJ gives his head coaches very little control. The only reason Payton would leave for Dallas is for his family, but I still don't see him doing it.
Benson is a very rich man, JJ is a richer man. Benson now has to worry about supporting the Pelicans and the Saints, is there enough money to go around? Sure, but his pocketbook isn't as limitless as JJs is.
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