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JTagg7754
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 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:26 am Post subject: Advanced QB Stats |
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Stole this from General b/c I don't know if many people look there. But take a look:
Russell Wilson
20 Passes Dropped
25 Overthrown (6.8%), 1 INT
5 Underthrown (1.4%)
14 Thrown Wide (3.8%), 1 INT
44 "Bad Throws" (12%), 2 INTs
9 Passes Batted At Line (2.5%)
Adjusted QBR: 126.3
Aaron Rodgers
35 Passes Dropped
30 Overthrown (5.6%)
13 Underthrown (2.4%), 1 INT
25 Thrown Wide (4.7%)
68 "Bad Throws" (12.8%), 1 INT
4 Passes Batted At Line (0.8%)
Adjusted QBR: 124.3
Robert Griffin III
28 Passes Dropped
20 Overthrown (5.2%), 2 INTs
10 Underthrown (2.6%)
16 Thrown Wide (4.2%), 1 INT
46 "Bad Throws" (12%), 3 INTs
6 Passes Batted At Line (1.6%)
Adjusted QBR: 120.1
Peyton Manning
35 Passes Dropped
30 Overthrown (5.2%), 2 INTs
13 Underthrown (2.2%), 1 INT
23 Thrown Wide (4.0%), 1 INT
66 "Bad Throws" (11.5%), 4 INT
8 Passes Batted At Line (1.4%)
Adjusted QBR: 118.2
Alex Smith
14 Passes Dropped
17 Overthrown (8.1%), 1 INT
2 Underthrown (1.0%)
7 Thrown Wide (3.3%), 1 INT
26 "Bad Throws" (12.4%), 2 INTs
3 Passes Batted At Line (1.4%)
Adjusted QBR: 117.1
Tom Brady
36 Passes Dropped
43 Overthrown (7%), 2 INTs
20 Underthrown (3.3%)
41 Thrown Wide (6.7%)
104 "Bad Throws" (17%), 2 INTs
8 Passes Batted At Line (1.3%)
Adjusted QBR: 114.9
Drew Brees
36 Passes Dropped
23 Overthrown (3.6%), 2 INTs
19 Underthrown (3%), 1 INT
26 Thrown Wide (4.1%), 3 INTs
68 "Bad Throws" (10.7%), 6 INTs
15 Passes Batted At Line (2.4%)
Adjusted QBR: 114.3
Matt Ryan
28 Passes Dropped
28 Overthrown (4.6%), 2 INTs
10 Underthrown (1.7%)
24 Thrown Wide (4.0%)
62 "Bad Throws" (10.3%), 2 INTs
8 Passes Batted At Line (1.3%)
Adjusted QBR: 113.6
Ben Roethlisberger
19 Passes Dropped
28 Overthrown (6.5%), 2 INTs
7 Underthrown (1.6%)
12 Thrown Wide (2.8%)
47 "Bad Throws" (10.9%), 2 INTs
12 Passes Batted At Line (2.8%)
Adjusted QBR: 113.0
Colin Kaepernick
14 Passes Dropped
14 Overthrown (6.7%)
3 Underthrown (1.4%)
11 Thrown Wide (5.3%)
28 "Bad Throws" (13.4%)
0 Passes Batted At Line (0%)
Adjusted QBR: 111.9
Tony Romo
31 Passes Dropped
41 Overthrown (6.5%)
10 Underthrown (1.6%)
36 Thrown Wide (5.7%), 2 INTs
87 "Bad Throws" (13.8%), 2 INTs
9 Passes Batted At Line (1.4%)
Adjusted QBR: 105.8
Matt Schaub
25 Passes Dropped
33 Overthrown (6.4%), 2 INTs
13 Underthrown (2.5%), 1 INT
29 Thrown Wide (5.5%), 1 INT
75 "Bad Throws" (14.4%), 5 INTs
9 Passes Batted At Line (1.7%)
Adjusted QBR: 104.9
Cam Newton
18 Passes Dropped
48 Overthrown (10.3%), 1 INT
8 Underthrown (1.7%)
26 Thrown Wide (5.6%), 1 INT
82 "Bad Throws" (17.7%), 2 INTs
11 Passes Batted At Line (2.4%)
Adjusted QBR: 104.1
Andy Dalton
23 Passes Dropped
44 Overthrown (8.6%), 3 INTs
2 Underthrown (0.4%)
29 Thrown Wide (5.7%), 2 INTs
75 "Bad Throws" (14.6%), 5 INTs
16 Passes Batted At Line (3.1%)
Adjusted QBR: 103.4
Carson Palmer
34 Passes Dropped
31 Overthrown (5.6%) 1 INT
16 Underthrown (2.9%), 2 INTs
32 Thrown Wide (5.7%), 1 INT
79 "Bad Throws" (14.1%), 4 INTs
13 Passes Batted At Line (2.3%)
Adjusted QBR: 102.6
Philip Rivers
15 Passes Dropped
24 Overthrown (5.0%)
15 Underthrown (3.1%)
35 Thrown Wide (7.2%)
74 "Bad Throws" (15.3%)
4 Passes Batted At Line (0.8%)
Adjusted QBR: 102.4
Josh Freeman
28 Passes Dropped
57 Overthrown (10.6%), 2 INTs
18 Underthrown (3.4%), 2 INTs
34 Thrown Wide (6.3%), 2 INTs
109 "Bad Throws" (20.3%), 6 INTs
15 Passes Batted At Line (2.8%)
Adjusted QBR: 101.6
Joe Flacco
17 Passes Dropped
57 Overthrown (11.1%), 1 INT
5 Underthrown (1%)
34 Thrown Wide (6.6%)
96 "Bad Throws" (18.7%), 1 INT
9 Passes Batted At Line (1.8%)
Adjusted QBR: 101.3
Eli Manning
28 Passes Dropped
35 Overthrown (6.7%) 1 INT
14 Underthrown (2.7%), 1 INT
26 Thrown Wide (5.0%), 1 INT
75 "Bad Throws" (14.4%), 3 INTs
10 Passes Batted At Line (1.9%)
Adjusted QBR: 101.1
Ryan Fitzpatrick
27 Passes Dropped
41 Overthrown (8.2%) 1 INT
17 Underthrown (3.4%), 2 INTs
28 Thrown Wide (5.6%)
86 "Bad Throws" (17.3%), 3 INTs
13 Passes Batted At Line (2.6%)
Adjusted QBR: 99.8
Sam Bradford
23 Passes Dropped
33 Overthrown (6.3%)
7 Underthrown (1.3%)
32 Thrown Wide (6.1%)
72 "Bad Throws" (13.7%)
12 Passes Batted At Line (2.3%)
Adjusted QBR: 99.2
Ryan Tannehill
22 Passes Dropped
33 Overthrown (7.2%), 1 INT
7 Underthrown (1.5%)
31 Thrown Wide (6.7%), 1 INT
71 "Bad Throws" (15.4%), 2 INTs
17 Passes Batted At Line (3.7%)
Adjusted QBR: 95.9
Jay Cutler
27 Passes Dropped
32 Overthrown (7.4%), 2 INTs
14 Underthrown (3.3%)
18 Thrown Wide (4.2%), 1 INT
64 "Bad Throws" (14.9%), 3 INTs
12 Passes Batted At Line (2.8%)
Adjusted QBR: 95.8
Christian Ponder
18 Passes Dropped
33 Overthrown (7.1%), 3 INTs
8 Underthrown (1.7%), 2 INTs
28 Thrown Wide (6.1%), 1 INT
69 "Bad Throws" (14.9%), 6 INTs
3 Passes Batted At Line (0.6%)
Adjusted QBR: 93.9
Matthew Stafford
42 Passes Dropped
44 Overthrown (6.3%), 3 INTs
8 Underthrown (1.1%)
56 Thrown Wide (8.0%), 1 INT
108 "Bad Throws" (15.4%), 4 INTs
11 Passes Batted At Line (1.6%)
Adjusted QBR: 93.6
Michael Vick
13 Passes Dropped
20 Overthrown (6.0%), 2 INTs
11 Underthrown (3.3%), 1 INT
16 Thrown Wide (4.8%), 2 INTs
47 "Bad Throws" (14.2%), 5 INTs
7 Passes Batted At Line (2.1%)
Adjusted QBR: 91.9
Andrew Luck
33 Passes Dropped
53 Overthrown (8.8%), 2 INTs
17 Underthrown (2.8%), 3 INTs
38 Thrown Wide (6.3%), 3 INT
108 "Bad Throws" (17.9%), 8 INTs
13 Passes Batted At Line (2.2%)
Adjusted QBR: 91.6
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Mind you, Carson played 2 less games than a lot of these QBs. I think it'd be safe to say that if he played those last two games, he'd be the leader for dropped passes.
Regardless, just something for a quick comparison and so you can see how he stacks up to the rest of the competition. And for some of you, please note that the W/L record is not included b/c that is not a QB stat.
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you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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Chali21
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:59 am Post subject: |
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He could also rank higher in the over thrown, under thrown, or bad pass category as well.
And dang Brady has 104 "Bad passes"?
This stat also says Andrew Luck is the worst QB in the league...
And stafford leads in dropped passes? 
No wonder Megatron broke the record no one else on that team can catch. Lol |
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91jmay
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Stafford also broke the NFL record for pass attempts so that should be factored in (drops per attempt if you like).
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Chali21 wrote: | He could also rank higher in the over thrown, under thrown, or bad pass category as well.
And dang Brady has 104 "Bad passes"?
This stat also says Andrew Luck is the worst QB in the league...
And stafford leads in dropped passes?
No wonder Megatron broke the record no one else on that team can catch. Lol |
Due to the nature of a %, we would assume his bad pass % would not increase |
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Chali21 wrote: | He could also rank higher in the over thrown, under thrown, or bad pass category as well.
And dang Brady has 104 "Bad passes"?
This stat also says Andrew Luck is the worst QB in the league...
And stafford leads in dropped passes?
No wonder Megatron broke the record no one else on that team can catch. Lol |
Trust me, this aren't things to lean on, just giving it for thought.
Drops are not Carson's fault. He cannot control those much like I would like to think these over,under, and "bad pass" categories don't take into account the lack of running game and offensive line problems. Not saying all his passes are a result of pressure or what-not, but to say that it isn't a factor would be naive. It's just a manner of how much of a factor it is.
That said, we must also consider this when talking about Luck. I don't think this says he was the worst QB in the league but that his stats weren't the best. This, again, should be taken w/ a grain of salt as they had a no running game and no offensive line also.
I also want to know what qualifies a "bad pass". I've watched a lot of Brady this season and I'm not seeing what they're counting so I'm pretty curious.
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you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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Tacos
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I don't think anyone can deny CP isn't bad. Let's get some TD per QTR stats, or third down % stats though. Knapp or not, he was ineffective.
Diggin the sig tho
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Tacos wrote: | I don't think anyone can deny CP isn't bad. Let's get some TD per QTR stats, or third down % stats though. Knapp or not, he was ineffective.
Diggin the sig tho |
Having a running game as ineffective as ours is the biggest reason why we statistically suffered in both of those categories. Greg Knapp's offense is supposed to revolve around a strong rushing attack and being able to run play-action. And that's how the talent on our offense should be used. So asking Palmer to throw as much as we did with both the coaching and talent we have was a recipe for disaster. You can't just ignore that.
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Brees, Rodgers, and Brady have never had much of a running game and they've done outstanding.
I get that that's a bad comparison though since, as you said, Knapp's offense is run/PA based.
However when you pay a QB the kind of money we are it's hard to be content with his play.
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| Tacos wrote: | Brees, Rodgers, and Brady have never had much of a running game and they've done outstanding.
I get that that's a bad comparison though since, as you said, Knapp's offense is run/PA based.
However when you pay a QB the kind of money we are it's hard to be content with his play. |
bottom line.
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| Tacos wrote: | Brees, Rodgers, and Brady have never had much of a running game and they've done outstanding.
I get that that's a bad comparison though since, as you said, Knapp's offense is run/PA based.
However when you pay a QB the kind of money we are it's hard to be content with his play. |
Sean Peyton, Mike McCarthy, and Josh McDaniels are all highly respected, passing game geniuses.
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| Tacos wrote: | Brees, Rodgers, and Brady have never had much of a running game and they've done outstanding.
I get that that's a bad comparison though since, as you said, Knapp's offense is run/PA based.
However when you pay a QB the kind of money we are it's hard to be content with his play. |
I'm not a Palmer sympathizer but, Philbin, Payton, any pats OC> Knapp. |
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| Tacos wrote: | Brees, Rodgers, and Brady have never had much of a running game and they've done outstanding.
I get that that's a bad comparison though since, as you said, Knapp's offense is run/PA based.
However when you pay a QB the kind of money we are it's hard to be content with his play. |
I think it's unfair to compare Palmer to them though b/c they are on a completely different level and always have been. Factor in your second line and there's really no reason he could have succeeded. Very few QBs would have succeeded here.
I get the money thing but that's out of our control. I'm sure if he's retained, there could be another look at getting some work done on it similar to what happened this season.
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Thanks for the stats JTagg.
This shows how poorly DHB and Moore played this year. A huge dropoff from last year's production and efficiency. I suppose Knapp could be blamed but the bottom line is that we need the WR's to play better.
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| RaisinBran wrote: | Thanks for the stats JTagg.
This shows how poorly DHB and Moore played this year. A huge dropoff from last year's production and efficiency. I suppose Knapp could be blamed but the bottom line is that we need the WR's to play better. |
dont forget myers, dmac, streeter etc
i think nickjr uses a stat after the kc game? showing dhb and moore dropped 5? each iirc
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| RaisinBran wrote: | Thanks for the stats JTagg.
This shows how poorly DHB and Moore played this year. A huge dropoff from last year's production and efficiency. I suppose Knapp could be blamed but the bottom line is that we need the WR's to play better. |
Yes thanks JTagg, do you have those stats for last year. Palmer/Campbell?
Interested to see if there were more drops this season. I feel like there was personally. |
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