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| Badger75 wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | According to Michael C. Wright of ESPNChicago.com on the radio, there are a lot things in play for Lovie Smith w/ very strong interest from at least 3 teams, but Lovie wants to keep everything under wraps until something is certain. |
Honestly, the way Lovie Smith operates, you'd think he works for a place with letters, not the NFL...  |
The only mention of him interviewing or the Bills yesterday was JD on the radio, no articles, nothing. Then today the Bills release that they formally inteviewed Chip Kelly & Lovie Smith yesterday. Apparently the Chip Kelly interview didn't even last an hour.
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GOGRIESE
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | Do the chargers have the pieces to run a Cover 2 defense?
Donald Butler is a safe bet at MLB. Can Ingram and Phillips play with there hand in the dirt. Do they have interior lineman needed. |
Ingram likely ends up as an OLB in the Cover-2 which isn't wholly unthinkable given his skill-set (the Briggs to Butler's Urlacher). Liuget actually projects rather well as a C-2 NT, which would slot in Reyes as the UT - another good fit.
I just don't see this as a particularly smart move considering it pigeonholes the team into likely needing to use it's #11 selection on a RDE - since the depth for pure 4-3 DE's isn't stellar in this class. Phillips is a free agent and while he could play the position it's not his ideal fit - much rather be able to play him at the OLB, if re-signed. Weddle could thrive in the C-2 as a safety, but I'm not sure we have another guy on the roster at safety that's a tremendous fit without cycling say Marcus Gilchrist back there or signing someone in FA.
It seems like just an unnecessary transition - particularly with Peyton in the divisionn considering Peyton's historically trashed Cover-2's that we're 3-deep with high-level pass-rushers across the front four. It's looking more and more like Lovie's a RR candidate that's getting the benefit of the doubt because of his past track record. Our ownership seems to really favor holding onto John Pagano, which would mean retaining the 3-4 - it may just take an interview with Lovie for that point to get across to them about him. |
You might want to look at what Peyton acutally did against the Bears in the SuperBowl. They were gashed by 200 yards rushing (thank you Ron Rivera) but not by Peyton. Then in 2008 they did it to Peyton again. Also look at that Aaron Rodgers' worst games generally come against the Bears. But I'm not sold that Lovie would completely change that defense anyway, but may adapt it similar to what Tomlin did in Pittsburgh.
I think the Chargers right now are strongly leaning towards an offensive candidate b/c the #1 goal is to get Philip Rivers right again, but it wouldn't shock me if Lovie completely blew them away in an interview and was able to get Pep Hamilton or Hue Jackson in as his OC. |
 I love it when your trying to pump up his resume by saying something he will not do.
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| topwop1 wrote: | | bigbadbuff23835 wrote: | | Why does this get its own thread? it's an interview. He's interviewing with Buffalo too. |
Because some Bears fans have a man crush on Lovie and are [REMOVED BY MODERATOR] to see him go.
Sorry, but I cannot feel bad for the guy even after all that he's done for the Bears franchise over his tenure. After all he's still getting paid $5 mil next season whether he coaches or not. |
There is no former employee of the Chicago Bears who did more for HH than Mike Ditka.
ROY 1960
near-MVP 1963 Bears championship team
HC 1983-1991
SB, several NFC championship games
Post Halas, Ditka was the most successful HC, followed by Smith.
Chicago is a very tough town to coach in. Huge market, huge media. "lots of old Bears..." 
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| GOGRIESE wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | Do the chargers have the pieces to run a Cover 2 defense?
Donald Butler is a safe bet at MLB. Can Ingram and Phillips play with there hand in the dirt. Do they have interior lineman needed. |
Ingram likely ends up as an OLB in the Cover-2 which isn't wholly unthinkable given his skill-set (the Briggs to Butler's Urlacher). Liuget actually projects rather well as a C-2 NT, which would slot in Reyes as the UT - another good fit.
I just don't see this as a particularly smart move considering it pigeonholes the team into likely needing to use it's #11 selection on a RDE - since the depth for pure 4-3 DE's isn't stellar in this class. Phillips is a free agent and while he could play the position it's not his ideal fit - much rather be able to play him at the OLB, if re-signed. Weddle could thrive in the C-2 as a safety, but I'm not sure we have another guy on the roster at safety that's a tremendous fit without cycling say Marcus Gilchrist back there or signing someone in FA.
It seems like just an unnecessary transition - particularly with Peyton in the divisionn considering Peyton's historically trashed Cover-2's that we're 3-deep with high-level pass-rushers across the front four. It's looking more and more like Lovie's a RR candidate that's getting the benefit of the doubt because of his past track record. Our ownership seems to really favor holding onto John Pagano, which would mean retaining the 3-4 - it may just take an interview with Lovie for that point to get across to them about him. |
You might want to look at what Peyton acutally did against the Bears in the SuperBowl. They were gashed by 200 yards rushing (thank you Ron Rivera) but not by Peyton. Then in 2008 they did it to Peyton again. Also look at that Aaron Rodgers' worst games generally come against the Bears. But I'm not sold that Lovie would completely change that defense anyway, but may adapt it similar to what Tomlin did in Pittsburgh.
I think the Chargers right now are strongly leaning towards an offensive candidate b/c the #1 goal is to get Philip Rivers right again, but it wouldn't shock me if Lovie completely blew them away in an interview and was able to get Pep Hamilton or Hue Jackson in as his OC. |
I love it when your trying to pump up his resume by saying something he will not do. |
So I suppose we always ran cover 2 huh, and never adapted to the personnel we had, oh wait we did adapt, several times. The double A-gap blitz that we pioneered and mixed in since 2008 was developed specifically b/c we couldn't get pressure w/ the front 4, so we essentially gave a look to offenses where they never knew if the blitz was coming or if the LBs were going to drop. Playing Shea as a standup rover who moved all over the line this year. No we didn't do any of those things. Lovie has always changed his defense to match his personnel. He changed the Tampa 2 from what it was in Tampa when he first got to Chicago b/c he had the most athletic MLB in the league at the time so he put a lot more responsibility on that position. B
But it's fun to senselesely hate on the 3rd winningest coach in the history of the oldest franchise in football for no reason other than you just don't like him.
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That's exactly why I don't want him! I don't like Lovie Smith! Bring me the mooch!
However if Lovie brought hue Jackson as the OC and kept Pagano and our 3-4 instead allowing it to be a chaos hybrid defense then I'd change my mind on him.
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| EverythingSF wrote: | | But I do feel Alex is better than Rivers and we may as well not even argue over it here because I am pretty sure neither will change the others mind. |
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | Do the chargers have the pieces to run a Cover 2 defense?
Donald Butler is a safe bet at MLB. Can Ingram and Phillips play with there hand in the dirt. Do they have interior lineman needed. |
Ingram likely ends up as an OLB in the Cover-2 which isn't wholly unthinkable given his skill-set (the Briggs to Butler's Urlacher). Liuget actually projects rather well as a C-2 NT, which would slot in Reyes as the UT - another good fit.
I just don't see this as a particularly smart move considering it pigeonholes the team into likely needing to use it's #11 selection on a RDE - since the depth for pure 4-3 DE's isn't stellar in this class. Phillips is a free agent and while he could play the position it's not his ideal fit - much rather be able to play him at the OLB, if re-signed. Weddle could thrive in the C-2 as a safety, but I'm not sure we have another guy on the roster at safety that's a tremendous fit without cycling say Marcus Gilchrist back there or signing someone in FA.
It seems like just an unnecessary transition - particularly with Peyton in the divisionn considering Peyton's historically trashed Cover-2's that we're 3-deep with high-level pass-rushers across the front four. It's looking more and more like Lovie's a RR candidate that's getting the benefit of the doubt because of his past track record. Our ownership seems to really favor holding onto John Pagano, which would mean retaining the 3-4 - it may just take an interview with Lovie for that point to get across to them about him. |
You might want to look at what Peyton acutally did against the Bears in the SuperBowl. They were gashed by 200 yards rushing (thank you Ron Rivera) but not by Peyton. Then in 2008 they did it to Peyton again. Also look at that Aaron Rodgers' worst games generally come against the Bears. But I'm not sold that Lovie would completely change that defense anyway, but may adapt it similar to what Tomlin did in Pittsburgh.
I think the Chargers right now are strongly leaning towards an offensive candidate b/c the #1 goal is to get Philip Rivers right again, but it wouldn't shock me if Lovie completely blew them away in an interview and was able to get Pep Hamilton or Hue Jackson in as his OC. |
I love it when your trying to pump up his resume by saying something he will not do. |
So I suppose we always ran cover 2 huh, and never adapted to the personnel we had, oh wait we did adapt, several times. The double A-gap blitz that we pioneered and mixed in since 2008 was developed specifically b/c we couldn't get pressure w/ the front 4, so we essentially gave a look to offenses where they never knew if the blitz was coming or if the LBs were going to drop. Playing Shea as a standup rover who moved all over the line this year. No we didn't do any of those things. Lovie has always changed his defense to match his personnel. He changed the Tampa 2 from what it was in Tampa when he first got to Chicago b/c he had the most athletic MLB in the league at the time so he put a lot more responsibility on that position. B
But it's fun to senselesely hate on the 3rd winningest coach in the history of the oldest franchise in football for no reason other than you just don't like him. |
Im well aware we dont run the Tampa 2 a majority of the time. Im also aware of why they did all those things in your long paragraph(mostly because something was going wrong). I was present when they made those changes. I saw them put in place.
But the thing you totally missed is that the Chargers have a pretty good 3-4 defense. If you think he isnt going to go in there and rip that out then your living on a different planet.We all know how much he believes in and loves his system. We also know what he thinks about the 3-4 defense which isnt much. Lovie Smith doesnt need you pumping up his resume. The guy is making over 5 million dollars if he gets hired or not. He is going to be just fine so lay off.
Btw your completely wrong. I dont hate Lovie Smith. But it was a good time to move on. The was a few reasons he got fired. Phil Emery explained all of that.
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| Boltstrikes wrote: | That's exactly why I don't want him! I don't like Lovie Smith! Bring me the mooch!
However if Lovie brought hue Jackson as the OC and kept Pagano and our 3-4 instead allowing it to be a chaos hybrid defense then I'd change my mind on him. |
Lovie and Hue Jackson sounds good. Problem is with the last part which Lovie wont do. He wont have a 3-4 as his base defense.
Btw why the hell is this thread still open? Lovie has no interview right now with the Chargers. They havent even hired a GM yet to aid in he process.
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Im well aware we dont run the Tampa 2 a majority of the time. Im also aware of why they did all those things in your long paragraph(mostly because something was going wrong). I was present when they made those changes. I saw them put in place.
But the thing you totally missed is that the Chargers have a pretty good 3-4 defense. If you think he isnt going to go in there and rip that out then your living on a different planet.We all know how much he believes in and loves his system. We also know what he thinks about the 3-4 defense which isnt much. Lovie Smith doesnt need you pumping up his resume. The guy is making over 5 million dollars if he gets hired or not. He is going to be just fine so lay off.
Btw your completely wrong. I dont hate Lovie Smith. But it was a good time to move on. The was a few reasons he got fired. Phil Emery explained all of that. |
yes he believes in his system which is predacated on 22 eyes on the QB. I believe that Lovie could adapt that philosophy to a hybrid front (we've done this ourselves at times) to utilize the guys he has. I could easily see him using Ingram in the same way they used Shea this year.
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: |
Im well aware we dont run the Tampa 2 a majority of the time. Im also aware of why they did all those things in your long paragraph(mostly because something was going wrong). I was present when they made those changes. I saw them put in place.
But the thing you totally missed is that the Chargers have a pretty good 3-4 defense. If you think he isnt going to go in there and rip that out then your living on a different planet.We all know how much he believes in and loves his system. We also know what he thinks about the 3-4 defense which isnt much. Lovie Smith doesnt need you pumping up his resume. The guy is making over 5 million dollars if he gets hired or not. He is going to be just fine so lay off.
Btw your completely wrong. I dont hate Lovie Smith. But it was a good time to move on. The was a few reasons he got fired. Phil Emery explained all of that. |
yes he believes in his system which is predacated on 22 eyes on the QB. I believe that Lovie could adapt that philosophy to a hybrid front (we've done this ourselves at times) to utilize the guys he has. I could easily see him using Ingram in the same way they used Shea this year. |
Well in the end Shea I believe needs to be standing up full time at OLB(3-4). This is a pointless argument anyway because the most important thing hasnt even happened yet. Lovie Smith hasnt interviewed with anyone other than the Bills.
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I can understand why, but San Diego always seems to be snake-bitten, i guess that was a Norv thing though
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Peter King said that Lovie Smith is the Front Runner for the Buffalo job.
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| marshawn lynch wrote: | | Peter King said that Lovie Smith is the Front Runner for the Buffalo job. |
That worries me, b/c there is not a worse info man out there than Peter King. Terrific sports writer, terrible info man.
But ESPN today was talking as if he already had the job, so maybe a contract is just being worked out right now, and camp Lovie, as is normally the case, is Ft Knox about it.
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | Do the chargers have the pieces to run a Cover 2 defense?
Donald Butler is a safe bet at MLB. Can Ingram and Phillips play with there hand in the dirt. Do they have interior lineman needed. |
Certainly. Liuget and Reyes are primed to be one of the top 3-4 DE duos. They could switch. I don't see us hiring Lovie, I think we want to keep what we have going with Pags. Phillips likely wont be back anyway. Weddle was even better under Pags. Might be Rooney ruling with Lovie. |
Please hire this guy.
Unfortunately for the Bears pocketbook, the last team that would hire Smith is San Diego. That is a team which has almost always had great offenses and Smith would put a stop to that instantly.
He was given all the time in the world for a pro coach by Chicago and could never generate an offense capable of beating good teams. We could kick crap out of tomato cans and had crap kicked out of us by playoff contenders.
His teams could not win if they fell behind. Hence, we lost 11 out of the last 12 where we were behind at the half. One playoff in six years and that took the most incredible run of luck the Bears have ever had. QBs would get hurt the week before playing us on a regular basis, it was amazing stuff.
Most Bears fans can give you an extensive list of his failures.
But never fear no team that has any potential is going to hire him, damn it all. Even Buffalo just gave him the token interview and hired a coach practically before he was out the door. Cleveland might do the same since it is screwed up. |
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | topwop1 wrote: | | bigbadbuff23835 wrote: | | Why does this get its own thread? it's an interview. He's interviewing with Buffalo too. |
Because some Bears fans have a man crush on Lovie and are [REMOVED BY MODERATOR] to see him go.
Sorry, but I cannot feel bad for the guy even after all that he's done for the Bears franchise over his tenure. After all he's still getting paid $5 mil next season whether he coaches or not. |
Or maybe b/c he's an indemand HC who deserves a thread to discuss the news about him. |
LoL, Smith is slightly more "in demand" than jockey itch. |
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| GOGRIESE wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | Do the chargers have the pieces to run a Cover 2 defense?
Donald Butler is a safe bet at MLB. Can Ingram and Phillips play with there hand in the dirt. Do they have interior lineman needed. |
Ingram likely ends up as an OLB in the Cover-2 which isn't wholly unthinkable given his skill-set (the Briggs to Butler's Urlacher). Liuget actually projects rather well as a C-2 NT, which would slot in Reyes as the UT - another good fit.
I just don't see this as a particularly smart move considering it pigeonholes the team into likely needing to use it's #11 selection on a RDE - since the depth for pure 4-3 DE's isn't stellar in this class. Phillips is a free agent and while he could play the position it's not his ideal fit - much rather be able to play him at the OLB, if re-signed. Weddle could thrive in the C-2 as a safety, but I'm not sure we have another guy on the roster at safety that's a tremendous fit without cycling say Marcus Gilchrist back there or signing someone in FA.
It seems like just an unnecessary transition - particularly with Peyton in the divisionn considering Peyton's historically trashed Cover-2's that we're 3-deep with high-level pass-rushers across the front four. It's looking more and more like Lovie's a RR candidate that's getting the benefit of the doubt because of his past track record. Our ownership seems to really favor holding onto John Pagano, which would mean retaining the 3-4 - it may just take an interview with Lovie for that point to get across to them about him. |
You might want to look at what Peyton acutally did against the Bears in the SuperBowl. They were gashed by 200 yards rushing (thank you Ron Rivera) but not by Peyton. Then in 2008 they did it to Peyton again. Also look at that Aaron Rodgers' worst games generally come against the Bears. But I'm not sold that Lovie would completely change that defense anyway, but may adapt it similar to what Tomlin did in Pittsburgh.
I think the Chargers right now are strongly leaning towards an offensive candidate b/c the #1 goal is to get Philip Rivers right again, but it wouldn't shock me if Lovie completely blew them away in an interview and was able to get Pep Hamilton or Hue Jackson in as his OC. |
I love it when your trying to pump up his resume by saying something he will not do. |
Maybe we should stop being honest and start pumping Smith up, it could save the Bears some bucks if some team is dumb enough to hire him, I mean recognizes his gigantic talents. |
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