Vontae Deal better for Colts than expected

Mercury22 · Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 12329 Location: the 50 yard line

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/06/vontae-davis-trade-a-better-deal-than-colts-expected/

Yes, he was hurt for a lot of the year, but that means no 6th rounder for us, and the Colts kicked butt and are giving us a low second, and could be close to a third if they win today.

I was never as high on Vontae as a lot of people were, but I also didn't think Ireland made a great trade when he let Davis go. It hurt our secondary this year and with the Colts performing well, we will have a low 2nd round pick for a 1st round selection that should have been about to peak.
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carlos2104 · Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 1634 Location: Illinois

I kind of get the trade, I understand it somewhat. However, I wish we wouldn't have made it.
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MIAMI54 · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 261

It was probably more about character and work ethic than talent.

Niedermaier · Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 727 Location: Oakland

At the time i thought it was a bad trade, however i dont think keeping him on the roster would have added a W to the record. We subtracted from a position of need that we still need to fix this offseason. At the time no one expected to be watching the Colts in the Wildcard round and hindsights 20/20. Maybe we might be able to use that pick to move around on draft day or to pick up a WR or CB that slips. As for how poor he did this season, a lot of that can be attributed to being traded to a new team in week 4 of the preseason. However the question we need to ask is: can we get a better player than Vonte with that late pick in the second round? With Ireland at the helms, our only hope is that Philben has a lot of say with who we pick his draft or none if his will matter when you cant properly scout NFL caliber players. One last thought on Vonte: he could really only play man coverage and possibly may have not been smart enough to pick up on our new zone coverage we had run this season. Hopfully we have a plan for schemes on both sides of the ball goig into his offseason and we draft accordingly and with a purpose and not just BPA.
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ovaw8lover · Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 8666 Location: Dolphins Stadium

It was a bad trade from a value perspective. Miami turns a low first round pick into a low second round pick. I get the work ethic thing but it was a bad trade when comparing apples to apples. Had MIami gotten the 6th rounder, that would have helped equalize it but that did not occur. Spin it however you want but Davis performed well when in shape. I also know Miami would not hav been able to sig both he and Smith. For that purpose, the trade makes sense.
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daniel3 · Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 678

He seemed back to his old antics in today's game. Gave up a couple big plays.

WaterBear56 · Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Posts: 2875

Vontae has been bad for the Colts. Don't see how this wasn't a good trade. There are much better CB's in the second on a cheaper 4 year deal.
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dolphan9954 · Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 6940 Location: Miami

Vontae was god awful for 13 weeks WHEN he played. Value wise the Dolphins got a pretty good return. If the pick was top 15 in the second round it would be excellent value.
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ViolentMonk71 · Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:50 pm Post subject:

The move was made by Ireland, therefore it is a horrible one, regardless of any other information.
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Clutch · Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 2236

Based on injuries and his mental makeup, if Ireland had tried to trade him before the upcoming draft, we probably are lucky to get a 3rd or 4th rounder.
He has done nothing to change that.

We need another starting calibre CB but not at the expense of VD would do. Laughing

If we can land a #1 CB, push Smith to a #2, it translates to better matchups for us at that position. Problem is, Smith isn't a great #1 CB so the trading of VD looks worse than it is.

I wish the kid well and hope he goes onto have a great career but I don't see it for awhile. We run Jake down for being injured, VD is always got some issue.
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fishfan4life · Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject:

OMG OMG He was player of the week it was a terrible trade. Vonte was terrible and at one point he was rated by profootballfocus as the 2nd worst CB when thrown his way.

Mercury22 · Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 12329 Location: the 50 yard line

If I had the patience I would go back and pull up the thread from about one year ago in this very forum that had over half of our posters claiming that Vontae Davis was the single best defensive player on the Dolphins roster and the future of our franchise. Now, its considered a decent deal that we got a low second rounder for him?

Beyond that, its pretty clear we took a first round selection from just 4 years ago and got a low second rounder for him in exchange. Corners should be peaking at around 4 years into their NFL careers. How anyone can consider that a win for the Dolphins is beyond me.
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fishfan4life · Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:38 pm Post subject: