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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is a good move for Dallas. I think Kiffin will move DWare around to confuse offense and he will turn Bruce Carter and Sean Lee in to very good LBs. My only question is at CB and according to Kiffin, he won't force the cover 2 on his CBs. He will slowly teach them.

Another reason this is a smart move is, since so many teams have moved to a 3-4, it is harder to find talent. This allows Dallas to do the opposite and start looking for 4-3 guys.

I can't wait to see what Demarcus Ware does in this system.



That's a good point.


Yes and No. The problem now is there isn't as much 4-3 talent as you'd expect coming out of college. Look at the top pass rushers in this draft: Jarvis Jones, Damontre Moore, Dion Jordan, Bjoern Werner, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Corey Lemonier etc...

Only Werner fits the Bengals scheme (And Moore & Montgomery possibly if they bulk up). Most of the talent is at the 3-4 OLB position. A lot of teams in college have gone smaller/leaner and quicker to combat all the spread offenses in college...
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How is D. Ware going to be with his hand in the ground now?


He's spent over 65% of his snaps the last 4+ years with his hand down so he'll be fine.
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He'll be bringing you guys an exciting defense in the 4-3 Under. Albeit the man is a legend, fans in Tampa were growing frustrated with how stubborn and unreceptive to adaptation he was.


This has not changed and may have even gotten worse. This is why he failed at USC in my opinion. He refused to change his scheme to adjust to the speed that College is played at now. It's almost as if he was trying to prove that his scheme would work and it didn't. I understand if he was at a less talented school however that wasn't the case. While he didn't have the best depth due to the sanctions, there was no excuse to how we got killed by any teams with speed. To me it seems that the speed of the current game is too much for him. Great Football mind but too stubborn. This coming from a Bucs and USC fan.
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TommyC376 wrote:
How is D. Ware going to be with his hand in the ground now?


He's spent over 65% of his snaps the last 4+ years with his hand down so he'll be fine.
Didnt know that. Sean Lee will be a beast as a MLB.
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YoungBucs15 wrote:
epicMustache wrote:
He'll be bringing you guys an exciting defense in the 4-3 Under. Albeit the man is a legend, fans in Tampa were growing frustrated with how stubborn and unreceptive to adaptation he was.


This has not changed and may have even gotten worse. This is why he failed at USC in my opinion. He refused to change his scheme to adjust to the speed that College is played at now. It's almost as if he was trying to prove that his scheme would work and it didn't. I understand if he was at a less talented school however that wasn't the case. While he didn't have the best depth due to the sanctions, there was no excuse to how we got killed by any teams with speed. To me it seems that the speed of the current game is too much for him. Great Football mind but too stubborn. This coming from a Bucs and USC fan.


The Tampa 2 defense will always fail against the spread or a zone read option team, especially in college where the hash marks are further apart. With the MLB in the Tampa 2 often dropping into coverage, a 5 wide set stretches the LB group out dramatically, leaving the entire middle of the field open for either the option to run up the middle or pass to a wide open TE in the flat. We watched Oregon abuse USC using those very plays.
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plan9misfit wrote:
YoungBucs15 wrote:
epicMustache wrote:
He'll be bringing you guys an exciting defense in the 4-3 Under. Albeit the man is a legend, fans in Tampa were growing frustrated with how stubborn and unreceptive to adaptation he was.


This has not changed and may have even gotten worse. This is why he failed at USC in my opinion. He refused to change his scheme to adjust to the speed that College is played at now. It's almost as if he was trying to prove that his scheme would work and it didn't. I understand if he was at a less talented school however that wasn't the case. While he didn't have the best depth due to the sanctions, there was no excuse to how we got killed by any teams with speed. To me it seems that the speed of the current game is too much for him. Great Football mind but too stubborn. This coming from a Bucs and USC fan.


The Tampa 2 defense will always fail against the spread or a zone read option team, especially in college where the hash marks are further apart. With the MLB in the Tampa 2 often dropping into coverage, a 5 wide set stretches the LB group out dramatically, leaving the entire middle of the field open for either the option to run up the middle or pass to a wide open TE in the flat. We watched Oregon abuse USC using those very plays.
That's true but the main concern is that he won't fix his scheme or play-calls when they don't work game after game. I'd say they work to keep games close but towards the latter he'll get outcoached by 2nd half adjustments. And because of the former, I like the Redskins in a clean sweep next season.
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And Marinelli apparently has a destination in mind.

According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, Marinelli is expected to go to Dallas to join the staff of new Cowboys defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/17/marinelli-expected-to-join-kiffin-in-dallas/


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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

For those asking about ex-Bears DC Rod Marinelli, #Cowboys source says he "expects" Marinelli to join Kiffin's Dallas staff in some capacity

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TheVillain112 wrote:
canadaluvsdalla wrote:
Blagasse67 wrote:
This is a good move for Dallas. I think Kiffin will move DWare around to confuse offense and he will turn Bruce Carter and Sean Lee in to very good LBs. My only question is at CB and according to Kiffin, he won't force the cover 2 on his CBs. He will slowly teach them.

Another reason this is a smart move is, since so many teams have moved to a 3-4, it is harder to find talent. This allows Dallas to do the opposite and start looking for 4-3 guys.

I can't wait to see what Demarcus Ware does in this system.



That's a good point.


Yes and No. The problem now is there isn't as much 4-3 talent as you'd expect coming out of college. Look at the top pass rushers in this draft: Jarvis Jones, Damontre Moore, Dion Jordan, Bjoern Werner, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Corey Lemonier etc...

Only Werner fits the Bengals scheme (And Moore & Montgomery possibly if they bulk up). Most of the talent is at the 3-4 OLB position. A lot of teams in college have gone smaller/leaner and quicker to combat all the spread offenses in college...


Very well said.

Although there are less teams looking for 4-3 talent, a lot of more players are being brought up in the 3-4/roles that have DEs stand up. NCAAF has a lot of DE/OLBs prospects being brought up.
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And Marinelli apparently has a destination in mind.

According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, Marinelli is expected to go to Dallas to join the staff of new Cowboys defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/17/marinelli-expected-to-join-kiffin-in-dallas/


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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

For those asking about ex-Bears DC Rod Marinelli, #Cowboys source says he "expects" Marinelli to join Kiffin's Dallas staff in some capacity


Marinelli is a great motivator and D line coach, good hire if this comes to fruition.
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TommyC376 wrote:
How is D. Ware going to be with his hand in the ground now?


I think he will struggle some against the run and could wear down facing more double teams. But he should still excel as a pass rusher.
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Jeff Sullivan ‏@SullyBaldHead Hope the fans appreciate that having Rod Marinelli as your DL coach is like having Jerry Jones mange your savings account. #overqualified


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@OnPointDHH Has been reported by NFL Network, depends on your definition of official.

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Glenn "the Stretch" Smith (Former Cowboys Scout, Radio interview on Galloway and Company, Cowboys Radio Station) just announced that the Cowboys have officially hired Marinelli as the new DL coach.
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TommyC376 wrote:
How is D. Ware going to be with his hand in the ground now?


I think he will struggle some against the run and could wear down facing more double teams. But he should still excel as a pass rusher.


Sure... if you ignore that he's had his hand on the ground for over 65% of his snaps for the last 5+ years...
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clarencehilljr: Looks like former arkansas coach Houston Nutt will join cowboys as running backs coach and former Bears DC Rod Marinelli for DL coach

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