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Jetsman82
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | green24 wrote: | | skrILL wrote: | It blows my mind how so many fellow Jet fans have blind hope.
In this thread I've seen someone say that "Angelo isn't close to a top candidate" and that the Jets "haven't offered the job to anyone." Do Jet fans know something that reporters don't? Because from what I've heard from reporters, the Jets "can't even give away the job" and that Angelo is in fact a top candidate.
Same old freaking Jets man. Being a fan is painful. |
Those posts were from a day or two ago.
And don't believe any of the crap that Glazer says. |
Jay Glazer, as in scoop? As in the best info man in business today? Huh? |
As in that extra scoop of ice cream he assuredly had?
His report is undeniably incorrect. Popp, the CFL GM guy, has outright said he wants the Jets GM job. |
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ChicagoAl
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M |
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| Steelerspower wrote: | Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M. opening
| Quote: | Add another name to the New York Jets interview list.
According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the Jets will interview former Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo for their general manager position on Thursday.
Angelo served as the Bears general manager for 11 years before being fired following the 2011 season. If the Jets hired Angelo, it would be only his third different job since 1987. Angelo served as a director of player personnel from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 1987-2000 before being named Bears general manager in 2001.
The Jets have also targeted Dolphins assistant G.M. Brian Gaine, Chargers director of player personnel Jimmy Raye, Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross and 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble. |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/jets-to-interview-former-bears-exec-jerry-angelo-for-g-m-opening/
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Angelo is one of the unluckiest GMs I have ever heard of. Maybe he would have better luck with the Jets. |
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130114/peter-king-monday-morning-quarterback-divisional-playoffs/?xid=sbnation
| Quote: | Included in the New York Jets' contract package being prepared for David Caldwell last Monday -- the day the club gave him a tour of the area and was wooing him to be the team's next general manager -- was a $1 million housing allowance.
In the annals of Perks Given to NFL General Managers, I would say that takes the cake. |
If they're offering up this type of thing and still can't land one of the top names, I think it really speaks to how poorly this situation is being viewed. They're clearly willing to pay whoever comes in.
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JammerHammer21
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| iPwn wrote: | http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130114/peter-king-monday-morning-quarterback-divisional-playoffs/?xid=sbnation
| Quote: | Included in the New York Jets' contract package being prepared for David Caldwell last Monday -- the day the club gave him a tour of the area and was wooing him to be the team's next general manager -- was a $1 million housing allowance.
In the annals of Perks Given to NFL General Managers, I would say that takes the cake. |
If they're offering up this type of thing and still can't land one of the top names, I think it really speaks to how poorly this situation is being viewed. They're clearly willing to pay whoever comes in. |
No, just Caldwell. They interviewed Raye, didn't give him it.
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Abe56
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Keep hearing former Broncos GM Ted Sundquist was particularly impressive last Thursday when interviewing for Jets GM job. Sleeper candidate.
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NextBigThing
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NBT is still waiting for his phone call...
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green24
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| Abe56 wrote: | Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Keep hearing former Broncos GM Ted Sundquist was particularly impressive last Thursday when interviewing for Jets GM job. Sleeper candidate. |
He doesn't seem that bad.
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jrry32
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M |
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M. opening
| Quote: | Add another name to the New York Jets interview list.
According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the Jets will interview former Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo for their general manager position on Thursday.
Angelo served as the Bears general manager for 11 years before being fired following the 2011 season. If the Jets hired Angelo, it would be only his third different job since 1987. Angelo served as a director of player personnel from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 1987-2000 before being named Bears general manager in 2001.
The Jets have also targeted Dolphins assistant G.M. Brian Gaine, Chargers director of player personnel Jimmy Raye, Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross and 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble. |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/jets-to-interview-former-bears-exec-jerry-angelo-for-g-m-opening/
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Angelo is one of the unluckiest GMs I have ever heard of. Maybe he would have better luck with the Jets. |
He wasn't unlucky, he just outright sucked.
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ChicagoAl
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M. opening
| Quote: | Add another name to the New York Jets interview list.
According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the Jets will interview former Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo for their general manager position on Thursday.
Angelo served as the Bears general manager for 11 years before being fired following the 2011 season. If the Jets hired Angelo, it would be only his third different job since 1987. Angelo served as a director of player personnel from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 1987-2000 before being named Bears general manager in 2001.
The Jets have also targeted Dolphins assistant G.M. Brian Gaine, Chargers director of player personnel Jimmy Raye, Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross and 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble. |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/jets-to-interview-former-bears-exec-jerry-angelo-for-g-m-opening/
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Angelo is one of the unluckiest GMs I have ever heard of. Maybe he would have better luck with the Jets. |
He wasn't unlucky, he just outright sucked. |
Well his first rounders got hurt more than just sucked. Colombo, Williams, Benson, Grossman all were injured their first year missing all or much of their rookie seasons. Colombo had another horrendous injury. We gave up on him and he then went and started for Dallas for the next five years or so.
He drafted some very good players as well including Tommie Harris.
He even traded for a guy who DIED before we had him a year. Can't get any unluckier than that.
His drafting lower in the draft was very good and not hit with the horrid luck.
Few of his draft picks were unwarranted or controversial at the time, either.
I wanted him fired because of the bad luck. And don't think the draft picks after 2006 were just his ideas. Smith had a major, if not THE major, role in all of them. |
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jrry32
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M |
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M. opening
| Quote: | Add another name to the New York Jets interview list.
According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the Jets will interview former Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo for their general manager position on Thursday.
Angelo served as the Bears general manager for 11 years before being fired following the 2011 season. If the Jets hired Angelo, it would be only his third different job since 1987. Angelo served as a director of player personnel from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 1987-2000 before being named Bears general manager in 2001.
The Jets have also targeted Dolphins assistant G.M. Brian Gaine, Chargers director of player personnel Jimmy Raye, Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross and 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble. |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/jets-to-interview-former-bears-exec-jerry-angelo-for-g-m-opening/
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Angelo is one of the unluckiest GMs I have ever heard of. Maybe he would have better luck with the Jets. |
He wasn't unlucky, he just outright sucked. |
Well his first rounders got hurt more than just sucked. Colombo, Williams, Benson, Grossman all were injured their first year missing all or much of their rookie seasons. Colombo had another horrendous injury. We gave up on him and he then went and started for Dallas for the next five years or so.
He drafted some very good players as well including Tommie Harris.
He even traded for a guy who DIED before we had him a year. Can't get any unluckier than that.
His drafting lower in the draft was very good and not hit with the horrid luck.
Few of his draft picks were unwarranted or controversial at the time, either.
I wanted him fired because of the bad luck. And don't think the draft picks after 2006 were just his ideas. Smith had a major, if not THE major, role in all of them. |
Lol, I was waiting for that(blame Lovie). Angelo has a pretty miserable draft history and yet here you are blaming "bad luck" and then you're oh so happy to pawn it off on Lovie.
It's pretty clear that you don't think much of Lovie Smith. But at least be consistent. Angelo was far worse than Smith and trying to blame his terrible personnel decisions on Smith is pretty ridiculous.
And of the guys you mentioned, none of them panned out. Even the others who ended up starting on other teams never did anything to live up to their draft status.
Angelo made some good picks in his time as Bears GM but not nearly enough to outweigh all his terrible picks.
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ChicagoAl
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | Jets to interview former Bears exec Jerry Angelo for G.M. opening
| Quote: | Add another name to the New York Jets interview list.
According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the Jets will interview former Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo for their general manager position on Thursday.
Angelo served as the Bears general manager for 11 years before being fired following the 2011 season. If the Jets hired Angelo, it would be only his third different job since 1987. Angelo served as a director of player personnel from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 1987-2000 before being named Bears general manager in 2001.
The Jets have also targeted Dolphins assistant G.M. Brian Gaine, Chargers director of player personnel Jimmy Raye, Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross and 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble. |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/jets-to-interview-former-bears-exec-jerry-angelo-for-g-m-opening/
Thought? |
Angelo is one of the unluckiest GMs I have ever heard of. Maybe he would have better luck with the Jets. |
He wasn't unlucky, he just outright sucked. |
Well his first rounders got hurt more than just sucked. Colombo, Williams, Benson, Grossman all were injured their first year missing all or much of their rookie seasons. Colombo had another horrendous injury. We gave up on him and he then went and started for Dallas for the next five years or so.
He drafted some very good players as well including Tommie Harris.
He even traded for a guy who DIED before we had him a year. Can't get any unluckier than that.
His drafting lower in the draft was very good and not hit with the horrid luck.
Few of his draft picks were unwarranted or controversial at the time, either.
I wanted him fired because of the bad luck. And don't think the draft picks after 2006 were just his ideas. Smith had a major, if not THE major, role in all of them. |
Lol, I was waiting for that(blame Lovie). Angelo has a pretty miserable draft history and yet here you are blaming "bad luck" and then you're oh so happy to pawn it off on Lovie. If you want to look at the real history then you will see that Angelo built a pretty good team which went to the Super Bowl. Then Lovie was extended and demanded more control over personnel. This resulted in much more input. Remember, Smith and Angelo were from the same background and agreed more than they disagreed. They had the same strengths and weaknesses and same outlook on the game.
It's pretty clear that you don't think much of Lovie Smith. But at least be consistent. Angelo was far worse than Smith and trying to blame his terrible personnel decisions on Smith is pretty ridiculous. Do you seriously expect anyone who is familiar with the Bears believes all the ex-Ram bums that came through here were Angelo's ideas? Not a chance. There isn't a player we brought in who did not have Smith's approval or were here at his instigation.
And of the guys you mentioned, none of them panned out. Even the others who ended up starting on other teams never did anything to live up to their draft status. All are still playing in the league except Colombo who I believed retired. All have had longer than average pro careers.
Angelo made some good picks in his time as Bears GM but not nearly enough to outweigh all his terrible picks. |
Terrible picks in retrospect are easy to complain about but the point is none of them were outrageous picks AT THE TIME. They were all consensus picks for that position in the draft.
And the reality is Angelo's teams were always at the door of the playoffs except for Smith's first year. And, believe me, this is not because Smith was a superior coach.
Nor is it true that he picked people just because he wanted to. They were all scouted by other people, evaluated by other people then not developed by other people. There is a lot more to player personnel than just picking someone. It is true that the buck stopped with Jerry and he paid the price for his mistakes. But he was not as bad as is claimed.
We didn't even HAVE a GM before he was hired. |
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TheVillain112
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| Abe56 wrote: | Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Keep hearing former Broncos GM Ted Sundquist was particularly impressive last Thursday when interviewing for Jets GM job. Sleeper candidate. |
Wasn't he horrible in Denver? Or was that mainly McDaniels fault?
| NextBigThing wrote: | | NBT is still waiting for his phone call... |
Bengals are waiting for NBT to become a GM, so they can trade AJ Green for a decades worth of first round draft picks... |
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green24
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| TheVillain112 wrote: | | Abe56 wrote: | Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Keep hearing former Broncos GM Ted Sundquist was particularly impressive last Thursday when interviewing for Jets GM job. Sleeper candidate. |
Wasn't he horrible in Denver? Or was that mainly McDaniels fault? |
| Winder23 wrote: | This was Sundquist's last draft in Denver. It is arguably the best draft in Broncos history. While he is isn't the only one who had a hand in this draft he was part of the process.
1 11(11) Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 29(61) Tony Scheffler TE W Michigan
4 22(119) Brandon Marshall WR UCF
4 29(126) Elvis Dumervil OLB Louisville
4 33(130) Domenik Hixon WR Akron
5 28(161) Chris Kuper OG North Dakota
6 29(198) Greg Eslinger C Minnesota |
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| TheVillain112 wrote: | | Abe56 wrote: | Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Keep hearing former Broncos GM Ted Sundquist was particularly impressive last Thursday when interviewing for Jets GM job. Sleeper candidate. |
Wasn't he horrible in Denver? Or was that mainly McDaniels fault?
| NextBigThing wrote: | | NBT is still waiting for his phone call... |
Bengals are waiting for NBT to become a GM, so they can trade AJ Green for a decades worth of first round draft picks... |
He was fired the year before Shanny left. Actually had a pretty solid resume.
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TheVillain112
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| green24 wrote: | This was Sundquist's last draft in Denver. It is arguably the best draft in Broncos history. While he is isn't the only one who had a hand in this draft he was part of the process.
1 11(11) Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 29(61) Tony Scheffler TE W Michigan
4 22(119) Brandon Marshall WR UCF
4 29(126) Elvis Dumervil OLB Louisville
4 33(130) Domenik Hixon WR Akron
5 28(161) Chris Kuper OG North Dakota
6 29(198) Greg Eslinger C Minnesota |
Ah, my bad. Yeah that's a killer draft class...
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