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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:38 pm    Post subject: La Vader pre-combine mock offseason (Verison2,Updated Page5) Reply with quote

Mock Offseason

Hire OC- Al Saunders
Reasoning: Brings back a system that has worked in the NFL, Saunders is already under contract and is a great offensive mind

*****Other Options: Brad Chidress, Norv Turner, Al Saunders, Jim Zorn, Pat Shurman

Players to be retained that will cost money: 7 million

Desmond Bryant- new UT- gets a raise to around 4 million annually short-term deal
Phillip Wheeler- Multiyear, deal 6 million 2yr deal

Players back for cheap: Should cost around 5 million to retain these players
Barnes- stopgap RT 1 yr deal
P Adams- compete at CB
J Hansen- stopgap Nickle CB
Gaither- depth at MLB
Carter- pash-rush specialist
Goodsen- depth at RB
Stewart- depth at RB
Total Cost
12 million to retain talent

Keys Players who walk for a bigger payday:
Brandon Myers, Matt Shaugnessy, Shane Lechler

I been reading we have around 20 million in cap room with a potential roll over of 4 million. That figure calculated before we void Seymours deal 12 million, and can shed 3-4 million of Kellys deal, while eating the rest of Kellyís cap figure order to get the cancer out.

Player cuts: Tommy Kelly, Seymour

20 million to play with before we
Rework these players deals:
Huff- shed 2-3 million on the year
DHB Ė shed 2-3 million on the year
Dedication to the silver and black, save some money there. Being modest we will still have around 25 million to sign some key free agents and sign our rookies. DHB and Huff have been team players in the past.

Trades:
Carson Palmer: Traded for a 3rd Round Pick
Why: Vikings Jets Cardinals need a QB

Rolondo McClain- Balt or Pitt for a 6th round pick
Why: Two rivals think they can change McClain in their environment
*Louis Murphy traded for 7th round pick

FA
Three starters brought in who might demand money, but would be worth the investment:
Antoine Cason- starter for the Chargers, entering his prime, good size, isnít a star but a solid starter
Jarmichael Finley- I expect the Packers to release Finley. This move will cost a lot, but I feel he is the redzone threat at tight end we need. Reggie makes a splash with this pick up
Sammy Lee Hill Ė a massive nose tackles, who will come in to stop the run at a reasonable contract

Gambles on potential gems for dirt-cheap:
R Barden- odd man out in NY in a deep wide receiver corp. Good size wideout with untapped potential.
L Blount- Tampa landed Doug Martin who is a stud, and also have good depth. Blount has shown he can produce in the NFL, anger issues will drive his price down. He would form a nice 1-2 punch with McFadden and perhaps start if McFadden goes down again
K Rivers- injured prone but talented. With the sad state of our linebacking core we take a risk on a potential FA sleeper.

Depth thru cheap vets
James Sanders- steady veteran who will be an upgrade over Matt G.
Byron Leftwich- vet to bring some leadership from the bench
Brady Quinn- some arms for camp

Draft
Compensation Pick Rewarded
4th- Michael Bush
7th- Samson Sateele

Draft Day Trade
Oakland 4th, 6th and 4th in 2014 for a late 3rd round pick

1- DeMontre Moore DE Texas A&M
6'4 250 All Sec performer, pash rush demon who brings a pass rusher from the edge
3- TJ McDonald FS USC
6-3 205 was a solid performer as SC since his sophomore year, this year is a deep year for safeties. Former all american who is a leader
3- Larry Warford G Kentucky
Deep year for guards, and they are less coveted then tackles. This massive man could be a 1st rounder if he played for Bama.
3- Menelik Watson RT Florida State
Watson has so much unrealized potential being a former basketball player, he projects as a RT in the next level
4(Bush)- Honey Badger Tyrann Mathieu CB
We all know the story, of the former college star. No one denies his talent, but character concerns makes him a late round pick. I know he is smaller but I see passion when he plays to overcome it. Reggie shocks the world and takes a gamble due to our corners being so bad
6th Cameron Lawerence OLB Mississippi State
111 tackles, 10 tackles for a loss, four passes broken up and four sacks in 2012. Second team All SEC. Projected as a late round pick
7th Brandon McGee CB Miami- 2 year starter for the U. Good size at 6'1 was a leader for his team, and had a solid career
7th (Murphy)Mississippi - Chad Bumphis WR Mississippi State
Under the rader SEC prospect 5'11 runs a 4.4 and is a good athlete. Nearly had a 1000 yards and over 12tds during his senior year on a lousy team. Could be a sleeper
7th(Sateele)-Devon Kennard DE USC - moved around during his tenure at SC between LB and DE. Injured last year, has shown talent getting to the QB. 6-3 260 has the size to play in this league.

Would love to sign these three undrafted free agents
Brad Wing P, Josh Boyett FA, Zac Stacy RB

2013 Roster

Pryor
Depth:Leftwich, Quinn
Pryor will get his chance to grow with this young team. Leftwich is a solid vet pickup

Mcfadden
Depth:Blount, Goodsen, Stewart, Jones, Stacey
A lot of competition, will make for a good camp

Reece
Depth:Olawale
Reece is the man, hopefully he gets the ball more in 2013.

Moore, DHB
Ford, Streater, Barden, Criner
A lot of young playmakers, in a new scheme, the cream will rise to the top

Finely
Ausberry, Gordan
Our tight end spot will be explosive with this FA acquisition; Ausberry and Gordan provide decent depth

Valdheer, Warford, Wiz, Brisel, Barnes
Depth: Smith, Nix, Parson, Bergstorm, Watson
Going back to power run scheme should allow McFadden to run wild again. Question will remain if Brisel can hold up in the scheme. In training camp, a battle for RT will be fought. For once, our depth would be solid in the unit

Defense:
Moore Houston
Tollefson, Carter, Crawford
Raiders need to generate more pash rusher. Moore should help off the edge, and he is good against the run.

Lee, Bryant
Depth: Cristo, Brandon Bair
A bit thin in our interior, but Lee should help against the run, and Bryant played solid last year. Cristo and Bair should emerge as rotation players in 2013

Rivers Burris Wheeler
Depth: Jackson, Gaither, Clayton
A lot of question marks with this unit. Can Burris thrive at Mike, and will Rivers stay healthy. Depth would be a weak, but itís hard to build Rome in a day

Cason, Chekwa, Hansen, Adams, Mathieu , Ross, McGee, Ansah
Cason would be slotted at one starting spot, other guys will need to emerge.

Huff, Branch
Depth: McDonald, Sanders
Drafting TJ will give us great depth at safety, who eventually will take over Free Safety. Huff can even play more corner if we need him there. Sanders provides depth at the other spot

Notable guys trying to make the roster: Goethel LB, Corey Nelms DB, Lacey RB, Zack Hurd OL, Brad Wing P, Burnett LB, Kennard DE, Session WR, Johnny Johns NT, Isiah Williams, S Josh Boyett, WR Bumphis

Food for thoughts?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cap situation is much more tight than you had read. A few places has us at around a few million to 5 million. ESPN and Clayton has us at over the cap by a few million. Probably not taking into account some of the cap saving things/cuts we'll do. Still, it might effect your mock in some way.

(Nov 1st) http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space/

(Jan 1) http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy

(Jan 14) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1483856-breaking-down-oakland-raiders-2013-salary-cap-where-is-money-best-spent
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like the Moore pick. Don't like the draft day trade. Are you really saying to start Pryor next year??? Get ready for a 2 win season.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing

If you are going to make a mock around trading Palmer to the Browns you should probably understand that Norv Turner is their OC and Hue Jackson is staying in Cincy.
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Pryor, Leftwhich, Quinn.

That should guarantee us the #1 overall pick in 2014.

The thought of Pryor in Al Saunders offense is completely laughable.

Seriously? Did you stop to think about this at all? You want Pryor throwing Rainbows in Saunders vertical Air Croyell offense?

Tell me how that make any sense whatsoever.

Pryor homers are ridiculous. Palmer clearly is the best choice at QB if Saunders is your OC. But you can't stand that can you?
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Not bad for your first mock. You put some good effort in there and there are quite a few moves I would be cool with.

I like:

The Cason and SLH signings, love the Mathieu pick- he has the blend of talent, playmaking ability, and passion we havent seen in Oakland in a long time.

I dont see:

Cleveland giving up a 3rd for Palmer. If new management doesnt draft another QB, they would probably stick with Weedon rather than give anything up for a more expensive and older QB.

I dont like:

The Finley signing. Not one bit. For the money he will ask for he just isnt worth it. He is injury prone and has a history of being a distraction. He is making good money and playing with one of the best QBs in the NFL and still finds reasons to be a distraction.

I hate:

The idea of rolling with Pryor as the starter. I understand you really like the guy but he is not ready to be starter right now. It is your mock though, so have fun and say what you want, but also keep in mind that Pryor is in no way suited for an Al Saunders offense. His offense relies on a vertical scheme, if Pryor were to start in any offense, it would have to be much more traditional West Coast or Pistol-oriented IMO.
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I wouldn't trade Pryor for any prospect in this years draft. Quote me on that
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ZoomWaffle wrote:
Not bad for your first mock. You put some good effort in there and there are quite a few moves I would be cool with.

I like:

The Cason and SLH signings, love the Mathieu pick- he has the blend of talent, playmaking ability, and passion we havent seen in Oakland in a long time.

I dont see:

Cleveland giving up a 3rd for Palmer. If new management doesnt draft another QB, they would probably stick with Weedon rather than give anything up for a more expensive and older QB.

I dont like:

The Finley signing. Not one bit. For the money he will ask for he just isnt worth it. He is injury prone and has a history of being a distraction. He is making good money and playing with one of the best QBs in the NFL and still finds reasons to be a distraction.

I hate:

The idea of rolling with Pryor as the starter. I understand you really like the guy but he is not ready to be starter right now. It is your mock though, so have fun and say what you want, but also keep in mind that Pryor is in no way suited for an Al Saunders offense. His offense relies on a vertical scheme, if Pryor were to start in any offense, it would have to be much more traditional West Coast or Pistol-oriented IMO.



I would think Saunders would be able to adjust to his players strengths. That would nice to have, an OC who is a tyrant stuck in system, but a playcaller who is able to adapt to his personnel, and putting them in situations to suceed.

I didn't catch that Cleveland has their OC.
Suitors that need a QB: Arizona, Jets, Vikings, Jags
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big_palooka wrote:
Pryor, Leftwhich, Quinn.

That should guarantee us the #1 overall pick in 2014.

The thought of Pryor in Al Saunders offense is completely laughable.

Seriously? Did you stop to think about this at all? You want Pryor throwing Rainbows in Saunders vertical Air Croyell offense?

Tell me how that make any sense whatsoever.

Pryor homers are ridiculous. Palmer clearly is the best choice at QB if Saunders is your OC. But you can't stand that can you?


I don't have a problem with Palmer. I root for him when he plays, he is a good mentor to Pryor. I just like my chances better with Pryor on a team that is rebuilding.
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La_Vader wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Pryor, Leftwhich, Quinn.

That should guarantee us the #1 overall pick in 2014.

The thought of Pryor in Al Saunders offense is completely laughable.

Seriously? Did you stop to think about this at all? You want Pryor throwing Rainbows in Saunders vertical Air Croyell offense?

Tell me how that make any sense whatsoever.

Pryor homers are ridiculous. Palmer clearly is the best choice at QB if Saunders is your OC. But you can't stand that can you?


I don't have a problem with Palmer. I root for him when he plays, he is a good mentor to Pryor. I just like my chances better with Pryor on a team that is rebuilding.


Okay..... so you're opting for the rebuild model including the young QB. But then you opt to hire Saunders as the OC who's offense doesn't fit the skill set of the QB at all.

Saunders can't adjust to the fact Pryor is an inconsistent passer with a suspect deep ball. The staple of his offense is the vertical passing game. You don't put a QB like Pryor in that offense an expect success.
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There isn't any reason we should trade Palmer. He's the best quarterback on the roster and gives us the best chance to win, especially if we hire a good offensive coordinator.

If we went into the season with only Leftwich and Quinn behind Pryor, I'd probably cry.
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If we could ship out Palmer for a chance at a quality young olineman ill do it. The cap space would also allow us to spend on our defense
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This is a perfect mock. Next year we can draft Manziel #1 and finally cut pryor. cause that's exactly what's going to happen if this comes to fruition.
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That's my logic as well. See what we have in Pryor, if he isn't up to the challenge we would be in position to draft an elite QB in 2014
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3 MILE LYLE wrote:
This is a perfect mock. Next year we can draft Manziel #1 and finally cut pryor. cause that's exactly what's going to happen if this comes to fruition.


Manziel first overall? Laughing
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Bridgewater or another blue chip prospect if Pryor falter, but I have faith in him to excel. Possibly a blue chip defender in 2014 again Smile
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