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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: What If Chip Kelly Makes The QB Position Expendable? Reply with quote

One of the main arguments against an offense featuring the QB's ability to run especially utilizing the zone read is that your QB will take too many hits

But what if Chip Kelly has a system that can do with QBs in many ways what Mike Shanahan does with running backs?

What if he doesn't need an elite QB? More specifically what if he doesn't need an elite passer.

In fact if you look at the league there are only half a dozen QBs at any given time who can consistently lead an offense to perform at an elite level.

The talent pool of QBs who may be average passers but above average runners is much larger, and this pool will only increase as more and more college teams run spread option attacks and as more and more kids who are athletic go to all those passing QB camps in youth league football, high school etc


For all the purists out there and in many ways for those who promote the league and those companies that are about endorsements, such a scenario would be a potential nightmare

QB is the glory position in all of sports.

Making it as expendable as Mike Shanahan has made the RB position, I know a lot of people would openly rooting against the success of that


But it's just food for thought for the mindset that could be had


Not worrying about a #1 QB playing 16 games a year if the #2 guy can come in and it's smooth sailing for several games like Kirk Cousins coming in for RGIII except for maybe 3-4 more games a year
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOLKevinKolb wrote:
Stop.


Remember the one back system. Remember when the RB position had more glory at the college and NFL level which is why so many could win Heisman and MVP?

Who would have thought that you could have elite rushing numbers without an elite running back

The same could happen to the QB position. It's already happened in college

We see great QBs leave and are replaced. See the job that Nick Florence has done at Baylor replacing RGIII. Look at the factory of QBs that Chip Kelly had at Oregon

IN the NFL he could corner the market on the best of the bunch, and college would essentially be a farm system whenever he wanted to get upgrades down the road
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ummm...no?

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say, but I don't see why you wouldn't have your best QB on the field at all times.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjab360 wrote:
Ummm...no?
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say, but I don't see why you wouldn't have your best QB on the field at all times.


Of course you always want your best QB on the field. But the biggest statement against Chip Kelly is that no one wants to put their franchise QB out there at risk for injury

But what if Chip Kelly to use the analogy doesn't need an Adrian Peterson of QBs. What if he can much more easily find his Alfred Morris at the QB position.

In other words, he may be able to find 2-3 guys who can run his offense at a high level so he's not necessarily reliant on the #1 QB playing 16 games a season to keep the ship upright
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BBIB wrote:
jjab360 wrote:
Ummm...no?
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say, but I don't see why you wouldn't have your best QB on the field at all times.


Of course you always want your best QB on the field. But the biggest statement against Chip Kelly is that no one wants to put their franchise QB out there at risk for injury

But what if Chip Kelly to use the analogy doesn't need an Adrian Peterson of QBs. What if he can much more easily find his Alfred Morris at the QB position.

In other words, he may be able to find 2-3 guys who can run his offense at a high level so he's not necessarily reliant on the #1 QB playing 16 games a season to keep the ship upright


When half of the NFL is struggling to find a QB that can actually do jack for them, you think Kelly would be able to find 2-3 guys that his offense would be just fine being productive with?

No. I don't care if we're talking Chip Kelly or Rod Marinelli as a head coach, you aren't winning ball games with Joe Webb at quarterback and you aren't going to be able to just as easy find 2-3 guys that can run your offense to success.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the classic stat goes for Mike Shanahan from 1995 to 2004 he had a running back go for over 1100 yards over that entire span for every year except one

And he did this with Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary


If someone brings a system to the NFL that can do that at the QB position, again it would be a nightmare for all the football purists out there
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No...the better a QB is, the better Kelly's system is.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBIB wrote:
As the classic stat goes for Mike Shanahan from 1995 to 2004 he had a running back go for over 1100 yards over that entire span for every year except one

And he did this with Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary


If someone brings a system to the NFL that can do that at the QB position, again it would be a nightmare for all the football purists out there


Running back isn't quarterback. It isn't the same thing. A running back could succeed because of having a great offensive line in front of him. At the end of the day, how successful a QB passes the ball is all on him.

It's a ridiculous concept. QB simply is not HB. It's easy to see.
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iknowcool wrote:


When half of the NFL is struggling to find a QB that can actually do jack for them, you think Kelly would be able to find 2-3 guys that his offense would be just fine being productive with?


You're making my point for me. The type of QB that fits Chip Kelly's system will be 2-3x as plentiful as the amount of QBs that can play strictly from the pocket at an elite level

If Chip Kelly can run a top 10 offense with a Dennis Dixon taking snaps from under center starting for 1/3 of the year

That would be commodifying the QB position. He could corner the market on all those guys who are not starters right now in Tyrod Taylor, Dixon, etc


Now you may doubt if he can use those guys to churn out a top 10 offense, but if he does it would be a nightmare again to all the purists
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if Chip Kelly bombs like Spurrier did when his profound concepts went to the NFL?

The fact is that the running QBs who've excelled in the NFL could also throw the ball well. The ones who couldnt went away. Tebow, VY,and Dennis Dixon all come to mind as being great runners and questionable passers and just didn't last.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iknowcool wrote:

Running back isn't quarterback. It isn't the same thing. A running back could succeed because of having a great offensive line in front of him. At the end of the day, how successful a QB passes the ball is all on him.

It's a ridiculous concept. QB simply is not HB. It's easy to see.


How successful a QB passes the ball first of all is not all on him if he doesn't have time to throw, if his receivers can't run crisp routes, or if the routes that are designed by the coordinator are so uncreative or predictable that the receivers can't get open.

If Chip Kelly has a system that actually makes reads easier for the QB because of the threat of the run, the system can indeed make the QB seem more proficient in the same way that a running scheme can do the same for a RB
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading the title, I laughed, but read on out of curiosity, but reading the post only confirmed this is one of the dumbest threads ever started in the NFL General section.
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BBIB wrote:
As the classic stat goes for Mike Shanahan from 1995 to 2004 he had a running back go for over 1100 yards over that entire span for every year except one

And he did this with Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary


If someone brings a system to the NFL that can do that at the QB position, again it would be a nightmare for all the football purists out there


Someone did. Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid. And yet the team still does better and the system runs better with the better QB.

The QB position is the most important position in the NFL and that will never change. Just stop with these threads. You're getting to be worse than x0x.
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