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What to do with the PAT?
Move line of scrimmage to 20 yard line.
41%
 41%  [ 7 ]
Make like 2 point convert but closer to goaline.
0%
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Eliminate altogether, only have 2 point convert
23%
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Other.
35%
 35%  [ 6 ]
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carnageehw


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From 2004-2008 the PAT% was 99.05.

It's better now:

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Since the start of the 2009 season, all but 22 of 3,186 extra points have been converted, according to Elias Sports Bureau. That's 99.3 percent.


No other play in the NFL has NEAR the same success rate.

It is absolutely pointless. When a guy like Belichick says it's pointless, we should all listen.


The one point conversion should be easy because two field goals should not equal one touchdown. The one point conversion makes this so.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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99.3% is more like rolling heads 298 out of 300 times.
Well the probability of not getting 7 heads in a row is .9921, so close enough! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

x0x wrote:
bungleodeon wrote:
x0x wrote:
Sciz wrote:
carnageehw wrote:
Sciz wrote:
Give teams the option to either take the one point automatically
This is a terrible idea.

A decent amount of extra points gets blocked or missed.
Do you have a "decent" chance of flipping 7 heads in a row? It's about the same probability.


99.3% is more
e like rolling heads 298 out of 300 times.
you're kidding, right?


298 divided by 300=99.33%


That is not how probability works.

Each coin flip is an independent event, with a 50% (neglecting the fact that the heads side of a coin has slightly more raised metal, and that affects the toss slightly) of flipping a heads and a 50% chance of flipping a tails.

Since any two coin tosses are independent of one another, that 50% chance of a heads stays the same for each toss. When examining a series of tosses, to figure out the total probability of flipping two heads is:

(1/2) x (1/2) = 1/4

You can prove this by drawing an "outcome" tree for the two tosses and counting how many of the possible scenarios are two heads. You'll find that there are 4 possible scenarios, only 1 of which consists of 2 heads.

Flipping heads 298 times out of 300 is roughly equivalent to (1/2)^300, which is a tiny, tiny, tiny number. A virtual impossibility, for all intents and purposes not possible.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright with the math guys.


My point was that 7 heads in a row, while rare is not in the same context of missing a PAT.



Perhaps it's better if we consider the possibility of missing an on-contested dunk by a college player. 2 out of 300?




P.S. I once flipped heads 14 times in a row. Will never forget. Won $10.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd move it out to the 20 with the caveat that teams are allowed to still go for 2 pt conversions from the 2 if they so choose.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The PAT should be altered in no way at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see no reason at all to change it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

carnageehw wrote:

The one point conversion should be easy because two field goals should not equal one touchdown. The one point conversion makes this so.



You've said this before. While I understand your sentiment, don't you think in 2013 with offenses putting up piles of points regularly, two field goals should be worth an unconverted TD??


Now keep in mind, scoring two TD with 2 point converts would be 16>15 in field goals.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say leave it alone. It's a decision that your coach has to make. If you make teams always go for 2 you're removing a bit of strategy from the game...and if you make getting just 1 point less likely, teams will always end up going for 2 anyway with the same result.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They already changed it by adding the 2point option(which I supported). No need to change it again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep it the way it is ...

I honestly dont see a problem with it
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I suppose if they want to "reduce injury," they could possibly just offer the offensive team 7 points automatically, or the offense can choose to go for 8 and if they fail, they get 6.

So basically just cut the PAT play.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Move it to the 20, defense has to start at the 10, no oline/blockers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

x0x wrote:
My point was that 7 heads in a row, while rare is not in the same context of missing a PAT.

Yes it is. Seven heads in a row has a .78125% chance of happening, or a 99.2% chance of not happening.

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P.S. I once flipped heads 14 times in a row. Will never forget. Won $10.
The probability of that is 1 in 16,000. You should've won more than $10 Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see a problem with it at all
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