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7DnBrnc53


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PurplePeterson wrote:
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The 1999 Bengals Draft.

They refused Ditka's entire draft and opted to go ahead and draft THE WORST QUARTERBACK IN NFL HISTORY in Akili Smith.

Yes, Smith is indeed the worst QB to ever get a shot in the NFL. He failed at every pro football level, including NFL Europe.....He was an abomination with one good year in a very unprofessional offense with the Ducks.

Absolute garbage. And the Bungals took him.

Of course they wanted a QB, but guess what? Culpepper was available 8 spots below where Smith was taken. Of course the Saints original 1st Round pick was a spot below where Culpepper was taken.

Thing is Aaron Brooks was taken 131st.....naturally the Bungals would have never drafted a gem that low but I digress.

There were a multitude of players the Bengals could have drafted instead of Akili Smith who proved literally worthless.


What is sad about the Akili Smith story is that, from what I heard, he was a Leigh Steinberg production. Steinberg apparently marketed him up to be bigger than he was after one year at Oregon. Akili, like Ryan Leaf, should have went back to school.

And, I agree with you about Culpepper. Before the 1998 season, I remember Daunte being projected as a top-5 selection for 99. However, he dropped a bit somehow, and this Smith character came out of nowhere.


I hated the Culpepper pick for the Vikings, I wanted Jevon Kearse but I have to admit Daunte did well for the Vikings for a few years until he had his knee injury and then started fumbling the football and throwing picks like he does not give a damn then that ended his Viking career


Looking back at that draft, I think that the Vikes should have either traded down to get Fernando Bryant, Antoine Winfield, Al Wilson, or Patrick Kerney(defense, especially corner, was their #1 need at the time) or stayed there and selected Kearse.

Honestly, though, I don't know why the Ravens didn't take Daunte. Who was their QB at the time?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Davis wanted to move up to get Dwight Freeney in 2002 but was told he will be available when Raiders picked at #23.

Al Davis wanted to draft Marques Colston as early as the 3rd round in 2006 but he was convinced by his small group of scouts he would go undrafted.

And the last was Al wanted Kaepernick but didn't have the fire power to get back in round 1.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 49ers, specifically Bill Walsh, were disappointed to see the Giants Draft QB Simms in the first round. They were confident he could be had in the second round (or later in the first if they wanted to trade up for him) and he was Walsh's first choice to QB his team for the future. Deprived of that option, the team settled on drafting Joe Montana with the final pick of the third round.

In 1985, the 49ers traded with the patriots up to the 16th pick to select Jerry Rice. They were worried (and this was later proven to be true) that the Cowboys planned to draft him with their pick in the #17 slot.

Sometimes successful drafting is a happy accident, others genius decision making.


I did not know this, good thing that Jerry Rice is a 49er instead of a Cowboy


That story about the Cowboys and Rice is not true. Drew Pearson scouted WRs for the Cowboys in those days and said Landry rejected Rice because of low wonderlic score. Landry also refused John Taylor because of a slow 40 time.

In 1979 the Cowboys had Montana and Doug Cosbie at equal value and picked Cosbie because of need.


Are you sure it was his wonderlic and not his 40? I can't find his wonderlic score, but the's very well spoken and comes off as intelligent. On the other hand, he ran a slow 40
He isn't a good speaker at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Next Man Up, it was documented that the Ravens were targeting Bob Sanders to pair with Ed Reed in 2004, but the Colts picked ahead of Baltimore in Round 2 and they settled for Dwan Edwards. Why they didn't take Darnell Dockett, is beyond me.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7DnBrnc53 wrote:
PurplePeterson wrote:
7DnBrnc53 wrote:
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The 1999 Bengals Draft.

They refused Ditka's entire draft and opted to go ahead and draft THE WORST QUARTERBACK IN NFL HISTORY in Akili Smith.

Yes, Smith is indeed the worst QB to ever get a shot in the NFL. He failed at every pro football level, including NFL Europe.....He was an abomination with one good year in a very unprofessional offense with the Ducks.

Absolute garbage. And the Bungals took him.

Of course they wanted a QB, but guess what? Culpepper was available 8 spots below where Smith was taken. Of course the Saints original 1st Round pick was a spot below where Culpepper was taken.

Thing is Aaron Brooks was taken 131st.....naturally the Bungals would have never drafted a gem that low but I digress.

There were a multitude of players the Bengals could have drafted instead of Akili Smith who proved literally worthless.


What is sad about the Akili Smith story is that, from what I heard, he was a Leigh Steinberg production. Steinberg apparently marketed him up to be bigger than he was after one year at Oregon. Akili, like Ryan Leaf, should have went back to school.

And, I agree with you about Culpepper. Before the 1998 season, I remember Daunte being projected as a top-5 selection for 99. However, he dropped a bit somehow, and this Smith character came out of nowhere.


I hated the Culpepper pick for the Vikings, I wanted Jevon Kearse but I have to admit Daunte did well for the Vikings for a few years until he had his knee injury and then started fumbling the football and throwing picks like he does not give a damn then that ended his Viking career


Looking back at that draft, I think that the Vikes should have either traded down to get Fernando Bryant, Antoine Winfield, Al Wilson, or Patrick Kerney(defense, especially corner, was their #1 need at the time) or stayed there and selected Kearse.

Honestly, though, I don't know why the Ravens didn't take Daunte. Who was their QB at the time?


Tony Banks until he was replaced by Trent Dilfer halfway through the season


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dawsonleery wrote:
Al Davis wanted to draft Marques Colston as early as the 3rd round in 2006 but he was convinced by his small group of scouts he would go undrafted.


Ugh. Colston. The Texans drafted WR David Anderson (aka Klint Kubiak's roomie at CSU) three picks ahead of Colston. Nepotism at its finest, a calling card of Gary Kubiak...

Colston/Johnson would of been a NICE pairing. Alas... Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just for fun, lets look at the Rams recent incompetence when it comes to drafting:
2006:
Rams are sitting there at Pick #11 badly needing a DT. The Broncos offer to trade up from Pick #15 for Jay Cutler and throw in a 3rd. We trade down to #15 and Haloti Ngata goes at Pick #12. We get Tye Hill at Pick #15. And we get a fat, lazy bum named Claude Wroten(a DT) with #68. Great trade Rams.

2007:
Rams are sitting there at Pick #13 badly needing a CB and a DT. I was 15 years old at the time and was actually on the radio on draft day talking about who the Rams would pick when this happened. The host asked me who I thought would be the pick...I said it SHOULD be Darrelle Revis but knowing the Rams, it would be Adam Carriker. Guess what...Rams lived up to my expectations.

So...if the Rams had made the right move in 2006...we might have had Haloti Ngata and Darrelle Revis...wow. But that's not all folks:

2008:
Rams are sitting there with the second pick in the 2nd round and all us Rams fans are hoping for a WR. The vast majority of us are rooting hard for DeSean Jackson...Rams opt to choose Donnie Avery out of nowhere.

2009:
I keep hearing that the Rams are going to take Jason Smith and this deeply upsets me. I spend weeks basically begging them not to do it...begging them to take Eugene Monroe. They take Smith.

2010:
I was so elated when they picked Bradford. Although I wanted Aaron Hernandez or Everson Griffen instead of Mardy Gilyard in the 4th.

2011:
No real complaints...preferred Torrey Smith over Kendricks but Kendricks ended up being a solid pick.

2012:
Actually was quite happy with this class although I wanted Alshon Jeffery over Brian Quick.

So things are finally getting better after decades of incompetence.


The Rams were also pretty bad around 2000-03, when they still had the Greatest Show on Turf. In 2000, they passed on people like Ian Gold, Mike Brown, and Deon Grant in round 1 to take Trung Canidate.

In 01, they had three #1 picks, and went D with all three. Archuleta was decent for a while, but they took Damione Lewis instead of Marcus Stroud, and Ryan Pickett ahead of Kris Jenkins and Kendrell Bell.

Their 02 and 03 first rounders, Robert Thomas and Jimmy Kennedy, didn't do too well for them, either. 02 would have been a better year for them to take RB in Round 1 than 2000, with DeShaun Foster and Clinton Portis there. The next year, in taking Kennedy, they passed up Ty Warren, Polamalu, Dallas Clark, and Nick Barnett.

When you look at those four years, you can see why the Rams only won one playoff game since their SB loss to NE.


This is just hearsay, but... apparently the Rams' staff didn't do enough work at the time (shocker). They asked Mike Martz's son who had played at Colorado State about Robert Thomas, who played for UCLA against CSU. UCLA killed CSU that year and Martz said more or less, "he kicked our [inappropriate/removed]." And that was good enough for the scouting staff/front office to draft him in the first.
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There was something out there about the Broncos making an attempt to trade with the Lions in order to draft Calvin Johnson. That obviously never happened.

Another one that didn't work out would have sent Al Wilson and a mid-round draft pick to the Giants for Justin Tuck, who at that time was good, but not like he is now. The trade fell through when Wilson failed his physical
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Randy Moss was almost a Packer when the Pats traded for him. Favre was pissssssssssssssssssssssssed about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

x0x wrote:
The 1999 Bengals Draft.

They refused Ditka's entire draft and opted to go ahead and draft THE WORST QUARTERBACK IN NFL HISTORY in Akili Smith.

Yes, Smith is indeed the worst QB to ever get a shot in the NFL. He failed at every pro football level, including NFL Europe.....He was an abomination with one good year in a very unprofessional offense with the Ducks.

Absolute garbage. And the Bungals took him.

Of course they wanted a QB, but guess what? Culpepper was available 8 spots below where Smith was taken. Of course the Saints original 1st Round pick was a spot below where Culpepper was taken.

Thing is Aaron Brooks was taken 131st.....naturally the Bungals would have never drafted a gem that low but I digress.

There were a multitude of players the Bengals could have drafted instead of Akili Smith who proved literally worthless.



you messed up and forgot to call them the Bungals in your last sentence....

I do agree with you though... I hated it when they picked him, that dude sucked so bad. That being said, Joe Montana probably couldn't have done much on that team..
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Megatron Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
There was something out there about the Broncos making an attempt to trade with the Lions in order to draft Calvin Johnson. That obviously never happened.

Another one that didn't work out would have sent Al Wilson and a mid-round draft pick to the Giants for Justin Tuck, who at that time was good, but not like he is now. The trade fell through when Wilson failed his physical


I vaguely remember hearing something about Denver trying to trade up for Megatron. Also, either there were rumors dealing with Denver trading up for Patrick Willis, or there were people saying that they should.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hurrah

Packers were very close to taking Michael Huff at #6 in the 2006 draft instead of AJ Hawk

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Green Bay was on the phone with Antoine Cason when the Chargers took him. They then traded back to pick up Jordy, instead.


Green Bay also had their eyes set on drafting Donnie Avery.

Ron Wolf said he offered two first rounders to move up and draft Urlacher

Both Barry Sanders and Vernon Davis said they didn't want to play for GB before the draft.

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In the 1990 draft, the Packers had two 1st round picks in a row (#18 & #19). We needed a running back, among other things. Emmitt Smith began falling down the draft because of his small stature and lack of burner speed, and it looked like he would fall to Green Bay with one of the two 1st round picks.

The Cowboys catch wind of this and quickly trade up ahead of Green Bay for the #17 pick and take Smith. Green Bay picks LB Tony Bennett at #18 and RB Darrell Thompson at #19.

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justo wrote:
Randy Moss was almost a Packer when the Pats traded for him. Favre was pissssssssssssssssssssssssed about it.


Favre should not be pissed since he finally gets to play with Randy with the Vikings
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has nobody mentioned Charles Rogers picked at #2 just ahead of Andre Johnson at #3 in 2003???


Bethel Johnson also drafted 9 spots ahead of Boldin by Bill Belichick....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Willink wrote:
Hurrah

Packers were very close to taking Michael Huff at #6 in the 2006 draft instead of AJ Hawk

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Green Bay was on the phone with Antoine Cason when the Chargers took him. They then traded back to pick up Jordy, instead.


Green Bay also had their eyes set on drafting Donnie Avery.

Ron Wolf said he offered two first rounders to move up and draft Urlacher

Both Barry Sanders and Vernon Davis said they didn't want to play for GB before the draft.

Quote:
In the 1990 draft, the Packers had two 1st round picks in a row (#18 & #19). We needed a running back, among other things. Emmitt Smith began falling down the draft because of his small stature and lack of burner speed, and it looked like he would fall to Green Bay with one of the two 1st round picks.

The Cowboys catch wind of this and quickly trade up ahead of Green Bay for the #17 pick and take Smith. Green Bay picks LB Tony Bennett at #18 and RB Darrell Thompson at #19.


TBH you're lucky you didn't get Cason.
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