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scar988


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrawABlank wrote:
scar988 wrote:
they can't afford a long term extension for him...

This is currently where we stand.

Atlanta gets:

TE Jimmy Graham

New Orleans gets:

Falcons 2013 1st round pick
Falcons 2014 2nd round pick

What are y'all's thoughts?

I'd be ok with it if we can get him to sign an extension.


I would have done that in a ******* heartbeat. Are you kidding me?

I mean, in real life I would have thought twice (the contract etc.). But within the context of FFMD - Jimmy Graham for the #30 pick and pay him peanuts - R U Serious?

Anyway, great negotiating Scar - remind me to take you with me next time I buy a car...

I used to sell cars. lol
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
And Justin Blalock is another one who would be ideal for a restructure. could save 2.745 M in his re-structure by the rules on this. If we re-sign Bretn Grimes and tag William Moore, that eats up both re-structures and the re-sign. we could then extend Moore and lower his first year hit. THoughts?


I'm going to keep banging the re-sign Baker drum (should be a $3.5m cap hit - I can give you the relevant equivalent contracts)

My thoughts:

Extension - Moore (after tag) or Ryan
Re-Sign - Baker
Re-Structure - Robinson and White

White over Blalock for re-structure; while it saves us less - $2.8m vs. $3.3m - I'm sure Roddy will be on this team in 2014, whereas Blalock's cap number is already starting to get ugly as it is and I'm not a fan of just delaying the pain on that

If we re-structure Blalock by these rules his cap hit will be nearly $9m next year and he will have a $10m dead money hit to release. That's unpleasant.

I would hold off on the Robinson re-structure until we know what Grimes goes for in the talent agency. We should put a realistic bid in and if we get denied, then do the D-Rob re-structure. If we get Grimes, cut Robinson and eat the $1m dead money.

(Obviously we are manipulating the FFMD rules here - IRL, we would never mess up out future year cap with Robinson. But the rules regarding re-structures are sufficiently rigid that we might as well "simulate" a D-Rob salary reduction to $3m without letting him hit the open market.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrawABlank wrote:
scar988 wrote:
they can't afford a long term extension for him...

This is currently where we stand.

Atlanta gets:

TE Jimmy Graham

New Orleans gets:

Falcons 2013 1st round pick
Falcons 2014 2nd round pick

What are y'all's thoughts?

I'd be ok with it if we can get him to sign an extension.


I would have done that in a ******* heartbeat. Are you kidding me?

I mean, in real life I would have thought twice (the contract etc.). But within the context of FFMD - Jimmy Graham for the #30 pick and pay him peanuts - R U Serious?

Anyway, great negotiating Scar - remind me to take you with me next time I buy a car...

Basically the reason I told my AGM to end trade talks, its awful value in terms of FFMD and theirs no way I'm facing Jimmy Graham twice a year Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

got this from the Rams
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I would like to know what kind of compensation you are looking to acquire in exchange for S Thomas DeCoud, T Tyson Clabo, LB Stephen Nicholas, WR Harry Douglas, and LB Akeem Dent?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jgoldiscool wrote:
got this from the Rams
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I would like to know what kind of compensation you are looking to acquire in exchange for S Thomas DeCoud, T Tyson Clabo, LB Stephen Nicholas, WR Harry Douglas, and LB Akeem Dent?


My suggestions:

- #16 overall for DeCoud (under a very reasonable deal and a Pro Bowler) - would also take Quinn or Brockers Smile

- Their 2nd for Clabo and our 4th (maybe our 3rd if they threw in one of their young guards - Watkins or Washington) - bear in mind that this deal would cost us money as $6.9m in dead money would hit our cap, which is more than the $6.8m we are paying him

- Right now, a 2nd for Nicholas (we have no depth and he's not expensive). Dependent on FA, this price could fall.

- Harry Douglas I'd do for a 4th (others may not agree)

- I'd pass on trading Akeem Dent unless I could get the 3rd we used on him back- he's on a rookie deal

Now, the only two of those that they might consider is the Clabo one and the Douglas one. But I don't want to make too many trades.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jgoldiscool wrote:
got this from the Rams
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I would like to know what kind of compensation you are looking to acquire in exchange for S Thomas DeCoud, T Tyson Clabo, LB Stephen Nicholas, WR Harry Douglas, and LB Akeem Dent?

Decoud - untradeable.
Clabo - untradeable
Nicholas - 3rd round pick
Douglas - 4th round pick
Dent - 3rd round pick
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Jgoldiscool wrote:
got this from the Rams
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I would like to know what kind of compensation you are looking to acquire in exchange for S Thomas DeCoud, T Tyson Clabo, LB Stephen Nicholas, WR Harry Douglas, and LB Akeem Dent?

Decoud - untradeable.
Clabo - untradeable
Nicholas - 3rd round pick
Douglas - 4th round pick
Dent - 3rd round pick

This except I would put Nicholas as a 2nd. I might but a second on Clabo too, just because they have an early second.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Jgoldiscool wrote:
got this from the Rams
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I would like to know what kind of compensation you are looking to acquire in exchange for S Thomas DeCoud, T Tyson Clabo, LB Stephen Nicholas, WR Harry Douglas, and LB Akeem Dent?

Decoud - untradeable.
Clabo - untradeable
Nicholas - 3rd round pick
Douglas - 4th round pick
Dent - 3rd round pick


I agree with this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam9 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
Jgoldiscool wrote:
got this from the Rams
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I would like to know what kind of compensation you are looking to acquire in exchange for S Thomas DeCoud, T Tyson Clabo, LB Stephen Nicholas, WR Harry Douglas, and LB Akeem Dent?

Decoud - untradeable.
Clabo - untradeable
Nicholas - 3rd round pick
Douglas - 4th round pick
Dent - 3rd round pick

This except I would put Nicholas as a 2nd. I might but a second on Clabo too, just because they have an early second.
I would need a first for Clabo. He's a pro bowl right tackle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
adam9 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
Jgoldiscool wrote:
got this from the Rams
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I would like to know what kind of compensation you are looking to acquire in exchange for S Thomas DeCoud, T Tyson Clabo, LB Stephen Nicholas, WR Harry Douglas, and LB Akeem Dent?

Decoud - untradeable.
Clabo - untradeable
Nicholas - 3rd round pick
Douglas - 4th round pick
Dent - 3rd round pick

This except I would put Nicholas as a 2nd. I might but a second on Clabo too, just because they have an early second.
I would need a first for Clabo. He's a pro bowl right tackle.
inb4 people say he sucked this year. Well he didn't play up to his standard this year but i have faith in him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't trade Douglas for a fourth.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jgoldiscool wrote:
scar988 wrote:
adam9 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
Jgoldiscool wrote:
got this from the Rams
Quote:
I would like to know what kind of compensation you are looking to acquire in exchange for S Thomas DeCoud, T Tyson Clabo, LB Stephen Nicholas, WR Harry Douglas, and LB Akeem Dent?

Decoud - untradeable.
Clabo - untradeable
Nicholas - 3rd round pick
Douglas - 4th round pick
Dent - 3rd round pick

This except I would put Nicholas as a 2nd. I might but a second on Clabo too, just because they have an early second.
I would need a first for Clabo. He's a pro bowl right tackle.
inb4 people say he sucked this year. Well he didn't play up to his standard this year but i have faith in him.
after he shook off the injuries in his first 5 games, he was back to pro bowl form.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dallas has put Ware on the block and are looking at our 2013 1st, a future 1st and some late picks. idk how much I like the idea of 2 1sts for Ware.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Dallas has put Ware on the block and are looking at our 2013 1st, a future 1st and some late picks. idk how much I like the idea of 2 1sts for Ware.

I'd pass. Ware is an exceptional player, but let's not ignore the facts that he'll be 31 soon and is owed a combined $26M in '14 and '15.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Dallas has put Ware on the block and are looking at our 2013 1st, a future 1st and some late picks. idk how much I like the idea of 2 1sts for Ware.


Don't mind giving up our 1st for a premium player on a rookie deal (like Graham/Atkins/that type of guy), but to give up the picks as well as pay market value is too much. This applies to everyone - not just Ware.
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