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KamTrus20


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I thought you were leaving out the 90s on purpose because you thought we have always sucked. I got confused because I quoted the wrong person. I wanted to quote mozwanted bc he said ""

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hard to believe how browns have such loyal great fans. I cant think of a time they didnt suck.


Sorry for the misunderstanding Very Happy
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Some comparables:
Both teams were 8-4 with non-strike teams.
Browns point differential in those 12 games was +112, the Vikings was +38.
In games against common opponents the Vikings were 6-0, the Browns were 3-3.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NFC had several dynasty teams in the 1980's. The SF 49ers, the Redskins and the NYG. There were several near great teams like the Bears that never caught that '85 momentum again. The Vikings were a very solid, good team throughout the '80's.

Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and the LA Raiders were the class of the AFC in the '80's.

Don't think Minnesota would have won the SB over Denver or Cleveland. Washington was a team that found momentum with QB Doug Williams.

Elway or Kosar would have bested the Vikings. But the Redskins would have rolled over all of them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PurplePeterson wrote:
mozwanted wrote:
hard to believe how browns have such loyal great fans. I cant think of a time they didnt suck.


They did not suck in the 80's


Correct. They were my favorite AFC team to root for in the 1980's. I still have a soft spot in my heart for the Browns (and their long suffering fans).
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The NFC had several dynasty teams in the 1980's. The SF 49ers, the Redskins and the NYG. There were several near great teams like the Bears that never caught that '85 momentum again. The Vikings were a very solid, good team throughout the '80's.

Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and the LA Raiders were the class of the AFC in the '80's.

Don't think Minnesota would have won the SB over Denver or Cleveland. Washington was a team that found momentum with QB Doug Williams.

Elway or Kosar would have bested the Vikings. But the Redskins would have rolled over all of them.


I do not think so either with the injuries the Vikings had in the NFC championship game
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regulation would have ended in a tie and then the world would have exploded before overtime could start.
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PurplePeterson wrote:
Badger75 wrote:
The NFC had several dynasty teams in the 1980's. The SF 49ers, the Redskins and the NYG. There were several near great teams like the Bears that never caught that '85 momentum again. The Vikings were a very solid, good team throughout the '80's.

Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and the LA Raiders were the class of the AFC in the '80's.

Don't think Minnesota would have won the SB over Denver or Cleveland. Washington was a team that found momentum with QB Doug Williams.

Elway or Kosar would have bested the Vikings. But the Redskins would have rolled over all of them.


I do not think so either with the injuries the Vikings had in the NFC championship game


The Vikings might be a mystery team of the 1980's. The late, great Mike Lynne, long time GM, had a knack for spotting talent. The '80's Vikings were a talented team that simply under achieved. HC Jerry Burns seemed to get out coached by the Bears HC Mike Ditka. Ditka just seemed to have his number.

Of the four teams in '87, the Vikings had trouble at QB. Elway, Kosar and Williams would have or did out play Kramer and Wilson. Even the Bears, with QB trouble of their own, won the division.
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BaltimoreTerp wrote:
Regulation would have ended in a tie and then the world would have exploded before overtime could start.


Hey look at this guy. He can poke fun at the Browns losing ways even though it took his city nearly 30 years and stealing the team Cleveland had built up to for them to win a super bowl.

Cleveland :: 4 NFL championships, 5 if you count the Cleveland Rams
Baltimore :: 3 NFL championships
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PurplePeterson wrote:
Badger75 wrote:
The NFC had several dynasty teams in the 1980's. The SF 49ers, the Redskins and the NYG. There were several near great teams like the Bears that never caught that '85 momentum again. The Vikings were a very solid, good team throughout the '80's.

Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and the LA Raiders were the class of the AFC in the '80's.

Don't think Minnesota would have won the SB over Denver or Cleveland. Washington was a team that found momentum with QB Doug Williams.

Elway or Kosar would have bested the Vikings. But the Redskins would have rolled over all of them.


I do not think so either with the injuries the Vikings had in the NFC championship game


Who got hurt?
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Badger75 wrote:
The NFC had several dynasty teams in the 1980's. The SF 49ers, the Redskins and the NYG. There were several near great teams like the Bears that never caught that '85 momentum again. The Vikings were a very solid, good team throughout the '80's.

Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and the LA Raiders were the class of the AFC in the '80's.

Don't think Minnesota would have won the SB over Denver or Cleveland. Washington was a team that found momentum with QB Doug Williams.

Elway or Kosar would have bested the Vikings. But the Redskins would have rolled over all of them.


The Vikings had already beaten the teams with the 2 best records in the league. If the Vikings had won the NFC championship they would have had a ton of momentum.
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Worm Guts wrote:
Badger75 wrote:
The NFC had several dynasty teams in the 1980's. The SF 49ers, the Redskins and the NYG. There were several near great teams like the Bears that never caught that '85 momentum again. The Vikings were a very solid, good team throughout the '80's.

Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and the LA Raiders were the class of the AFC in the '80's.

Don't think Minnesota would have won the SB over Denver or Cleveland. Washington was a team that found momentum with QB Doug Williams.

Elway or Kosar would have bested the Vikings. But the Redskins would have rolled over all of them.


The Vikings had already beaten the teams with the 2 best records in the league. If the Vikings had won the NFC championship they would have had a ton of momentum.


Yes, any team winning the Conference championship to get to the SB has momentum. The Vikings got past the first ever playoff Saints in the WC round. They bested Walsh's 49ers and hung close with the Redskins.

They beat some good teams during the season. But they were swept by the Bears and Packers and split with the lowly '87 Bucs.

They lost Wade Wilson for six games and ten year veteran Kramer didn't post good numbers.

Wade Wilson 2,106 yards passing 14 TD 13 INT 76.7 QB rating ran for 263 yards 5 TD 12 games

Tommy Kramer 452 yards passing 4 TD 3 INT 67.5 rating ran for 44 yards 2 TD 6 games

Don't think Wade Wilson could have won the SB against Kosar, Elway or Williams.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:

The Cleveland Browns are infact one of the winningest franchises in the history of the NFL but for some reason only MLB, NHL and NBA championships count before 1966 Rolling Eyes


NFL/AFL championships do count, but they are only equal to today's NFC/AFC championships. And they were so long ago so people only care about Super Bowls.
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Worm Guts wrote:
PurplePeterson wrote:
Badger75 wrote:
The NFC had several dynasty teams in the 1980's. The SF 49ers, the Redskins and the NYG. There were several near great teams like the Bears that never caught that '85 momentum again. The Vikings were a very solid, good team throughout the '80's.

Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and the LA Raiders were the class of the AFC in the '80's.

Don't think Minnesota would have won the SB over Denver or Cleveland. Washington was a team that found momentum with QB Doug Williams.

Elway or Kosar would have bested the Vikings. But the Redskins would have rolled over all of them.


I do not think so either with the injuries the Vikings had in the NFC championship game


Who got hurt?


John Randle and 4 other players, I forgot who though
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PurplePeterson wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
PurplePeterson wrote:
Badger75 wrote:
The NFC had several dynasty teams in the 1980's. The SF 49ers, the Redskins and the NYG. There were several near great teams like the Bears that never caught that '85 momentum again. The Vikings were a very solid, good team throughout the '80's.

Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and the LA Raiders were the class of the AFC in the '80's.

Don't think Minnesota would have won the SB over Denver or Cleveland. Washington was a team that found momentum with QB Doug Williams.

Elway or Kosar would have bested the Vikings. But the Redskins would have rolled over all of them.


I do not think so either with the injuries the Vikings had in the NFC championship game


Who got hurt?


John Randle and 4 other players, I forgot who though


John Randle wasn't on the 87 Vikings. Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Yeah Randle wouldn't be in the NFL until '90 and he wouldn't start for the Vikings for another two years after that. Perhaps you're thinking of someone like Keith Millard? Idk. I know it couldn't have been Randle though.
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