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SadLionFan00
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LMAO
Anyone who thinks Julio Jones is better than CJ is a moron.
And I guarentee 4 out of 10 people wouldnt take Julio Jones. What a freaking idiot this guy is.
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diehardlionfan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| SadLionFan00 wrote: | LMAO
Anyone who thinks Julio Jones is better than CJ is a moron.
And I guarentee 4 out of 10 people wouldnt take Julio Jones. What a freaking idiot this guy is. |
A moron?
Right. Try one of the most accomplished NFL executives in history.
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Sllim Pickens
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The only real argument is age IMO, and even in that case I would take AJ Green over Julio. Calvin is the most physically gifted WR in the league. Not looking at stats, just flat out speed, hands, route running, yards after catch, strength....
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Maverick12
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This is another example of "Controversy Creates Cash"(kudos to whoever got the hidden reference in that).
I don't understand what Calvin has to do to get the level of respect he deserves. There's always that one story each year where he's being disrespected for an asinine reason. 2010 season with Al Davis(RIP) taking a shot, 2011 with Carter, and now 2012 with the all pro snub.
Im starting to think he has to have a 2000 20 type of season to get all these unreasonable critics off him. Though there will always be critics I suppose, rather being deserved or not.
Oh, incase I wasn't clear, Calvin>Julio and it's not even close right now. 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Sllim Pickens wrote: | | The only real argument is age IMO, and even in that case I would take AJ Green over Julio. Calvin is the most physically gifted WR in the league. Not looking at stats, just flat out speed, hands, route running, yards after catch, strength.... |
I can see the argument he is making if he is starting a franchise, but I agree with you, while Julio is in the same class, I just think Green is better. Calvin is better than both though and probably will be for some time.
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Maverick12
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | Sllim Pickens wrote: | | The only real argument is age IMO, and even in that case I would take AJ Green over Julio. Calvin is the most physically gifted WR in the league. Not looking at stats, just flat out speed, hands, route running, yards after catch, strength.... |
I can see the argument he is making if he is starting a franchise, but I agree with you, while Julio is in the same class, I just think Green is better. Calvin is better than both though and probably will be for some time. |
Agree about Green, imo he's the second best in the league.
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I'd take AJ Green of Julio 10 times out of 10.
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RyanFuller003
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I don't even think 4/10 Falcons fans would pick Julio Jones over Calvin Johnson right now. Johnson literally has no weakness in his game.
The drops comparison really isn't a good one. Brandt says Calvin had three more drops than Jones; fine, but he also had 76 more balls thrown his way. Jones dropped 8 balls on 129 targets, a 6.20% rate. Johnson had 205 targets and 11 drops, a 5.37% rate. Jones' catch percentage was about 2% better than Johnson's on the whole, but he also had a more accurate QB, a better supporting cast to draw coverage off him, and didn't run as many deep routes as Johnson did (which are generally harder to catch).
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CJ4life
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I don't think I ever stated it, but as a Falcon fan, I take Calvin Johnson 12/10. He's that good.
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qball8001
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Flawed argument on Megatron's hands. Calvin had 11 drops in 205 targets. Julio had 8 drops in 133 targets... Calvin averaged a drop every 20ish targets. Julio averaged a drop every 16ish targets.
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detroitroar
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Julio Jones isnt even the best WR of his draft class.
No, he doesnt have better hands.
No, he is not a better route runner.
Calvin is stronger.
Calvin is probably faster.
Calvin can go up higher to get the ball.
Calvin faces constant double and even triple teams, where as Julio has Roddy White getting attention on the other side, and oh yeah, the best TE of all time working the middle of the field.
I think theres zero argument for this.
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diehardlionfan
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Jeez guys its one mans opinion and like he said in the interview different people look for different things. He said probably 6 out of 10 would take CJ and 4 out of 10 would take JJ.
It's probably more like 5/10 CJ 3/10 AJ Green and 2/10 JJ. And poor AJ isn't even in this conversation and should be.
To determine who is actually the best they would have to play with the same players and that's not going to happen.
I will say if we were to look at the two players and take age and contract into consideration I would take JJ every time. The difference in salary would allow the Lions to add some help which is needed.
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stylish313
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| diehardlionfan wrote: | Jeez guys its one mans opinion and like he said in the interview different people look for different things. He said probably 6 out of 10 would take CJ and 4 out of 10 would take JJ.
It's probably more like 5/10 CJ 3/10 AJ Green and 2/10 JJ. And poor AJ isn't even in this conversation and should be.
To determine who is actually the best they would have to play with the same players and that's not going to happen.
I will say if we were to look at the two players and take age and contract into consideration I would take JJ every time. The difference in salary would allow the Lions to add some help which is needed. |
Sounds as if you're describing best value.
AJ actually isn't the same player anymore, he's definitely lost a step. He's just so bigger and stronger than every DB, his production is still pretty much elite.
CJ playing in Atlanta with Matt Ryan and Roddy White would be unstoppable.
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diehardlionfan
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| stylish313 wrote: | | diehardlionfan wrote: | Jeez guys its one mans opinion and like he said in the interview different people look for different things. He said probably 6 out of 10 would take CJ and 4 out of 10 would take JJ.
It's probably more like 5/10 CJ 3/10 AJ Green and 2/10 JJ. And poor AJ isn't even in this conversation and should be.
To determine who is actually the best they would have to play with the same players and that's not going to happen.
I will say if we were to look at the two players and take age and contract into consideration I would take JJ every time. The difference in salary would allow the Lions to add some help which is needed. |
Sounds as if you're describing best value.
AJ actually isn't the same player anymore, he's definitely lost a step. He's just so bigger and stronger than every DB, his production is still pretty much elite.
CJ playing in Atlanta with Matt Ryan and Roddy White would be unstoppable. |
Yes, I guess I am describing best value.
I just find top level players are so close and there's so many factors at play its a futile exercise determining the best of the best.
I can almost guarantee that if this discussion were about Ryan and Stafford everyone would be claiming Stafford is better.
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| diehardlionfan wrote: | Jeez guys its one mans opinion and like he said in the interview different people look for different things. He said probably 6 out of 10 would take CJ and 4 out of 10 would take JJ.
It's probably more like 5/10 CJ 3/10 AJ Green and 2/10 JJ. And poor AJ isn't even in this conversation and should be.
To determine who is actually the best they would have to play with the same players and that's not going to happen.
I will say if we were to look at the two players and take age and contract into consideration I would take JJ every time. The difference in salary would allow the Lions to add some help which is needed. |
I still wouldnt do that. CJ has shown he can dominate with all the attention and no run game. Not sure Julio would dominate given the same circumstance even down the road. Plus, if Julio would play to the level were comparing him to, he would just command that much more money soon. Be it in a hold out or simply when his rookie deal is up.
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