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DreDay80


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe_is_the_best wrote:
canucks9314 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
Also, do you really think that LeBron is that much better than Durrant, Melo or Kobe (a couple years ago?) or add your favorite player?


Yes. He is that much better. Durant is a better pure scorer than Lebron and that is about it and the gap between their scoring isnt that wide. You also have to remember, lebron is a pass first guy that can score at least 40 when he wants. So yes the gap is that wide.


James takes more shots per game than Durant does. I think you're exaggerating the gap between the two as basketball players.

Anyway, no to the OP, and that's a big part of what makes football enjoyable to watch. Its a team sport in the truest sense.



1. He does not take more shots than durant.

2. Durant gets a free throw everytime somebody blows on him making his fgas look lower.

To answer the op - no. Football is too much of a team sport.
Acting like Durant gets more favorable calls than LeBron is just laughable.


Watch a game. The perception that Wade and LeBron get all the calls are so far from the truth. LeBron gets absolutely mauled and there's a 75% chance he's not getting the call. Durant? Lay a finger on him and best believe the refs are blowing the whistle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reckless123 wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
canucks9314 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
Also, do you really think that LeBron is that much better than Durrant, Melo or Kobe (a couple years ago?) or add your favorite player?


Yes. He is that much better. Durant is a better pure scorer than Lebron and that is about it and the gap between their scoring isnt that wide. You also have to remember, lebron is a pass first guy that can score at least 40 when he wants. So yes the gap is that wide.


James takes more shots per game than Durant does. I think you're exaggerating the gap between the two as basketball players.

Anyway, no to the OP, and that's a big part of what makes football enjoyable to watch. Its a team sport in the truest sense.



1. He does not take more shots than durant.

2. Durant gets a free throw everytime somebody blows on him making his fgas look lower.

To answer the op - no. Football is too much of a team sport.
Acting like Durant gets more favorable calls than LeBron is just laughable.


Im pretty sure he never said that. And evidence shows that Durant averages more FTs per game than Lebron.
He didn't explicitly say that, but he was comparing the two. Just because he averages more FT per game does not mean he's getting more favorable calls, just more calls.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DreDay80 wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
canucks9314 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
Also, do you really think that LeBron is that much better than Durrant, Melo or Kobe (a couple years ago?) or add your favorite player?


Yes. He is that much better. Durant is a better pure scorer than Lebron and that is about it and the gap between their scoring isnt that wide. You also have to remember, lebron is a pass first guy that can score at least 40 when he wants. So yes the gap is that wide.


James takes more shots per game than Durant does. I think you're exaggerating the gap between the two as basketball players.

Anyway, no to the OP, and that's a big part of what makes football enjoyable to watch. Its a team sport in the truest sense.



1. He does not take more shots than durant.

2. Durant gets a free throw everytime somebody blows on him making his fgas look lower.

To answer the op - no. Football is too much of a team sport.
Acting like Durant gets more favorable calls than LeBron is just laughable.


Watch a game. The perception that Wade and LeBron get all the calls are so far from the truth. LeBron gets absolutely mauled and there's a 75% chance he's not getting the call. Durant? Lay a finger on him and best believe the refs are blowing the whistle.
I've watched plenty. Melo is the one that gets mauled without calls, that is for sure. LeBron and Wade get tons of calls, and so does Durant.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe_is_the_best wrote:
Acting like Durant gets more favorable calls than LeBron is just laughable.
Durant has gotten a whole lot more calls this season than any other player. That 2 game stretch where he had 41 FT attempts was absolutely crazy. He earned maybe half of those attempts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's impossible simply because of the nature of the sport.

The only way I can see it being close is with a defensive lineman, and I don't know if it's really possible.

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He's an incredible scorer, he's an incredible passer, he's an incredible rebounder, he's an incredible defensive player, and he just controls the game in every facet.


That's going pretty far. He's definitely not an "incredible rebounder", and although he's definitely a contributor on defense, he's not an "incredible defensive player". An incredible defensive player is someone like Andre Iguodala, or prime Eric Snow or Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier, or Ben Wallace, who were asked to do it and did it every single game.


This is just flat out untrue. Last season, and especially during their title run, Lebron was asked to defend every single position- EVERY single position- and he did so at an elite level. Against point guards, shooting guards, big men., you name it.

It'd be the equivalent of JJ Watt shifting to cornerback and outside linebacker occasionally and playing like a pro bowler.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackandBlue wrote:
Mossburg wrote:
It's impossible simply because of the nature of the sport.

The only way I can see it being close is with a defensive lineman, and I don't know if it's really possible.

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He's an incredible scorer, he's an incredible passer, he's an incredible rebounder, he's an incredible defensive player, and he just controls the game in every facet.


That's going pretty far. He's definitely not an "incredible rebounder", and although he's definitely a contributor on defense, he's not an "incredible defensive player". An incredible defensive player is someone like Andre Iguodala, or prime Eric Snow or Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier, or Ben Wallace, who were asked to do it and did it every single game.


This is just flat out untrue. Last season, and especially during their title run, Lebron was asked to defend every single position- EVERY single position- and he did so at an elite level. Against point guards, shooting guards, big men., you name it.

It'd be the equivalent of JJ Watt shifting to cornerback and outside linebacker occasionally and playing like a pro bowler.


Lolz

Name the players he defended at an elite level.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seminoles1 wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
Acting like Durant gets more favorable calls than LeBron is just laughable.
Durant has gotten a whole lot more calls this season than any other player. That 2 game stretch where he had 41 FT attempts was absolutely crazy. He earned maybe half of those attempts.
Yeah this season has been crazy, he's getting a bunch of calls. I'm more talking overall, not just this season. If you look at many previous seasons, their FT attempts per game were always close save Durant's first 2 seasons.
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LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. No player can take over a game.

Theres players like Rodgers, Calvin, Revis, AP etc. who absolutely dominate what their supposed to do, but not like other sports. All those players can play at the highest level and still lose the game.
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Joe_is_the_best wrote:
LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.


he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court.
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BlackandBlue wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court.
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.

People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender.
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seminoles1 wrote:
BlackandBlue wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court.
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.

People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender.


Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway.
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Bolt could be a returner or wildcat back, King James could be a tight end, and I don't really know who soccer dude is...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messi would be the best player at any position in the league.
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Joe_is_the_best wrote:
canucks9314 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
Also, do you really think that LeBron is that much better than Durrant, Melo or Kobe (a couple years ago?) or add your favorite player?


Yes. He is that much better. Durant is a better pure scorer than Lebron and that is about it and the gap between their scoring isnt that wide. You also have to remember, lebron is a pass first guy that can score at least 40 when he wants. So yes the gap is that wide.


James takes more shots per game than Durant does. I think you're exaggerating the gap between the two as basketball players.

Anyway, no to the OP, and that's a big part of what makes football enjoyable to watch. Its a team sport in the truest sense.



1. He does not take more shots than durant.

2. Durant gets a free throw everytime somebody blows on him making his fgas look lower.

To answer the op - no. Football is too much of a team sport.
Acting like Durant gets more favorable calls than LeBron is just laughable.



This year he does. Durant (a jumpshooter) is averaging significantly more fts than lebron (a slasher).
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