Discuss football with over 60,000 fans. Free Membership. Join now!

 FAQFAQ  RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

FootballsFuture.com Forum Index
FootballsFuture.com Home

Can someone dominate the NFL like Bolt/LBJ/Messi/etc.?
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> NFL General
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
canucks9314


Joined: 31 Dec 2009
Posts: 949
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DreDay80 wrote:
seminoles1 wrote:
BlackandBlue wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court.
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.

People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender.


Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway.


Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf?
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
canucks9314


Joined: 31 Dec 2009
Posts: 949
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe_is_the_best wrote:
I've watched plenty. Melo is the one that gets mauled without calls, that is for sure. LeBron and Wade get tons of calls, and so does Durant.


Not this yeAr they don't. thunder are the most ref-babied team in the league.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
neutral1


Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 1003
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you count Bill Belichick ?

Because at times he's been close to dominating the league
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
reckless123


Joined: 02 Jun 2011
Posts: 10209
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neutral1 wrote:
Can you count Bill Belichick ?

Because at times he's been close to dominating the league


yeh no SBs in 10 years.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
El ramster


Joined: 13 May 2008
Posts: 36028
Location: PAUL GEORGE'S BED!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AP is the closest thing we have..
_________________

"Hot Pie" -House Hot Pie, All hail the King.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DreDay80


Joined: 09 Jan 2012
Posts: 1848
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canucks9314 wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
seminoles1 wrote:
BlackandBlue wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court.
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.

People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender.


Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway.


Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf?


Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
IDOG_det


Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Posts: 20909
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calvin says hi Wink
_________________


CWood21 wrote:
This anti-Teddy crap is getting out of hand.


R.I.P. Stylish
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Thanatos


Joined: 01 Jan 2013
Posts: 476
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, nobody ever will dominate like that. Too many "good players" and the pipeline system to the NFL reflects that.

BTW: I consider Gretzky more dominant than any of the 3 you named. Dude was phenomenal in his prime.
_________________
Quote:
I'm a Vikings fan, that must naturally mean that I'm a masochist, right?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BlackandBlue


Joined: 01 Jan 2011
Posts: 1892
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DreDay80 wrote:
canucks9314 wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
seminoles1 wrote:
BlackandBlue wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court.
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.

People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender.


Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway.


Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf?


Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players.


advanced stats don't back this up. At all.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DreDay80


Joined: 09 Jan 2012
Posts: 1848
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackandBlue wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
canucks9314 wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
seminoles1 wrote:
BlackandBlue wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court.
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.

People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender.


Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway.


Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf?


Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players.


advanced stats don't back this up. At all.


Pretty damn sure 2-3 years ago I saw a stat that said in isolation situations Wade holds his opposition to 28% FG. And if they do show me because from what I've seen LeBron's defense is so incredibly overrated because of that "he can guard 1-5" myth.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mossburg


Most Valuable Poster (4th Ballot)
Joined: 02 Jan 2005
Posts: 41835
Location: Straight Cash Inc. Headquarters
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advanced stats for defense in basketball...lol. Might be the only thing worse than stats for MMA.
_________________
Equal Opportunity Hater

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
FourThreeMafia


Joined: 28 Sep 2006
Posts: 47382
Location: East of Sixburgh
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
Probably not because football is so much more of a team sport than the rest.


No offense to anyone else, but the thread really didnt need to go beyond this.

Sums it up easily in one sentence.
_________________

simonwayne wrote:
We ain't got nothing man, just a chiefs win, thats all you get...And next week it will be wash, rinse, repeat.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
canucks9314


Joined: 31 Dec 2009
Posts: 949
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DreDay80 wrote:


Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players.


Lebron is better. That's why when kobe got hot they put Lebron on him. Obviously, Lebron is regarded as the better defender by his own coach. Wade got abused by Westbrook when they tried to put him on him last year.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
reckless123


Joined: 02 Jun 2011
Posts: 10209
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canucks9314 wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:


Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players.


Lebron is better. That's why when kobe got hot they put Lebron on him. Obviously, Lebron is regarded as the better defender by his own coach. Wade got abused by Westbrook when they tried to put him on him last year.


To be fair, DWade was injured last year.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dolphins82


Joined: 29 Apr 2007
Posts: 12876
Location: The Parade
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canucks9314 wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
seminoles1 wrote:
BlackandBlue wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly.
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court.
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.

People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender.


Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway.


Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf?
lmao....no.

To be honest if Norris Cole were about ~3-4 inches higher he'd be 5x the on-ball defender James is.
Wade (if the effort were a given) is a much, much better on-ball defender than James.

However....LeBron is an ELITE team defender (which is far more important), just look at the game against the Lakers.

His ability to switch (in a literal sense), from guarding a SF, negotiating the pick, recover, guard the PG (or PF), hedging, trapping, getting back on D, helping, fronting....etc is all amazing and done at a high level.

He can be the master of nuances at times. I think the football equivalent would be like a safety taking away read #1 and 2, and then closing out on a scrambling QB so his teammates can make the play. Or a secondary providing their rushers coverage sacks. Too far of an analogy? Think Laughing
_________________

[]_[] Family
Not 1, not 2, not 3...........it's not a joke, it's a threat
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   

Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> NFL General All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Page 7 of 8

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group