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| DreDay80 wrote: | | seminoles1 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | Joe_is_the_best wrote: | | LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly. |
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court. |
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.
People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender. |
Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway. |
Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf?
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| Joe_is_the_best wrote: | | I've watched plenty. Melo is the one that gets mauled without calls, that is for sure. LeBron and Wade get tons of calls, and so does Durant. |
Not this yeAr they don't. thunder are the most ref-babied team in the league.
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Can you count Bill Belichick ?
Because at times he's been close to dominating the league
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| neutral1 wrote: | Can you count Bill Belichick ?
Because at times he's been close to dominating the league |
yeh no SBs in 10 years.
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AP is the closest thing we have..
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| canucks9314 wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | seminoles1 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | Joe_is_the_best wrote: | | LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly. |
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court. |
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.
People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender. |
Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway. |
Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf? |
Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players. |
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Calvin says hi 
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No, nobody ever will dominate like that. Too many "good players" and the pipeline system to the NFL reflects that.
BTW: I consider Gretzky more dominant than any of the 3 you named. Dude was phenomenal in his prime.
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| DreDay80 wrote: | | canucks9314 wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | seminoles1 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | Joe_is_the_best wrote: | | LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly. |
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court. |
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.
People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender. |
Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway. |
Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf? |
Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players. |
advanced stats don't back this up. At all. |
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| BlackandBlue wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | canucks9314 wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | seminoles1 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | Joe_is_the_best wrote: | | LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly. |
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court. |
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.
People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender. |
Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway. |
Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf? |
Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players. |
advanced stats don't back this up. At all. |
Pretty damn sure 2-3 years ago I saw a stat that said in isolation situations Wade holds his opposition to 28% FG. And if they do show me because from what I've seen LeBron's defense is so incredibly overrated because of that "he can guard 1-5" myth. |
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Advanced stats for defense in basketball...lol. Might be the only thing worse than stats for MMA.
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| broncos67 wrote: | | Probably not because football is so much more of a team sport than the rest. |
No offense to anyone else, but the thread really didnt need to go beyond this.
Sums it up easily in one sentence.
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canucks9314
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| DreDay80 wrote: |
Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players. |
Lebron is better. That's why when kobe got hot they put Lebron on him. Obviously, Lebron is regarded as the better defender by his own coach. Wade got abused by Westbrook when they tried to put him on him last year.
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| canucks9314 wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: |
Not even close. Did you see his defense against Kobe 2 weeks ago? That's the defense he's capable of playing when he actually tries. He's just so incredibly lazy. Almost all the threes people hit on us are because Wade forgets about his man. The perception that LeBron is a better defender than Wade is so false. I've seen both of them and when they both try it's Wade by a decent sized margin. He's always been the better shot-blocker but he's the better on-ball defender as well. He has more lateral agility and has an incredible wingspan to bother players. |
Lebron is better. That's why when kobe got hot they put Lebron on him. Obviously, Lebron is regarded as the better defender by his own coach. Wade got abused by Westbrook when they tried to put him on him last year. |
To be fair, DWade was injured last year.
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| canucks9314 wrote: | | DreDay80 wrote: | | seminoles1 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | Joe_is_the_best wrote: | | LeBron does not defend centers and PF's at an elite level, don't be silly. |
he did pretty well against Perkins during stretches where the Heat didn't even have a true center on the court. |
I could defend Kendrick Perkins at an elite level.
People are overstating LeBron's defensive ability in this thread. The guy is a very valuable defensive player because of his ability to adequately defend 1-4 and some horrible 5s, but he does not defend a lot of players at an elite level. He's good at forcing his man into held defense and he's a very good weakside defender, but he's not an elite defender. |
Yup. Been watching his defense since he came to Miami to see who's the better on-ball defender between him and Wade and it's Wade by a decent sized margin. Well when they actually give a damn anyway. |
Wade is much worse on-ball. wtf? |
lmao....no.
To be honest if Norris Cole were about ~3-4 inches higher he'd be 5x the on-ball defender James is.
Wade (if the effort were a given) is a much, much better on-ball defender than James.
However....LeBron is an ELITE team defender (which is far more important), just look at the game against the Lakers.
His ability to switch (in a literal sense), from guarding a SF, negotiating the pick, recover, guard the PG (or PF), hedging, trapping, getting back on D, helping, fronting....etc is all amazing and done at a high level.
He can be the master of nuances at times. I think the football equivalent would be like a safety taking away read #1 and 2, and then closing out on a scrambling QB so his teammates can make the play. Or a secondary providing their rushers coverage sacks. Too far of an analogy?  
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